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I am at work, so I will make it short. Christianity is divided by the old testament and the new testament. The old testament from 2000y ago was even more violent and unforgiving compared to any of the current day islamistic branches. It arrived in Roman Empire and was refined over centuries into the moderat version called the new testament. The reason was, the Roman Empireand their successors were civilized people. After renaissance, christianity was toned down even more.
That toned down Christianity was the same one practiced in nazi Germany was it not? The German population and leadership were all overwhelmingly Christians at the time. The populations of the countries where jews were persecuted were overwhelmingly Christian. What about the genocides of North and South America? World wars? Nuclear bombs? I can continue but I think you get the point.
Western society is becoming a degenerate hellhole, should our model of progress really be seen as the catch all solution?
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Such a process never took place with Islam. You still have the most primitive branches with sharia law lurking in present day :lol:
Those radical views shouldn't be acceptable bythe modern day silent "moderate" majourity, yet, they stay silent when attrocities happen instead of collectively condemning the act.
It has actually, there are varying schools of thought on how to adapt Islam to the modern world and varying implementations of it, unfortunately for Islam and the rest of the world one of those schools of thought is Islamic fundamentalism which was largely influenced by western imperialism in their region of the world. Sharia varies from country to country, even Israel has sharia courts, it isn't a distinct legal system but more of a guide in how one should function which is interpreted differently in different areas. What do you mean by collectively condemning? They share a religion but they aren't a monolith.
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I can say I condemn any attrocity doneby Hamas towards civilian population in Israel but I am totally against punitive actions against the gaza population.
What is with people and requiring a condemnation for everything? What does this achieve? Generally it is a propaganda tactic designed to make people accept a certain narrative through emotional or social blackmail. Your condemnation changes nothing, you are German right? How much money does/has your country given to Israel? You aren't neutral, you are on a side no matter who you condemn as long as that is the case.
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Most muslims wouldn't even discuss that fact :lol: I am talking from personal experience here. They need to reform/update their religion to the present day standards.
Social degeneracy, lack of community lack of religion, increasing amounts of violence and drug use. Are those the standards they need to adapt to? Even if they wanted these things it wouldn't be possible because the wealth and prosperity that allowed this "progress" to take place was largely stolen from the countries in question.
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As for the US' and EU's involvement, there are mosquescompletely financed by Saudis in Germany, they send their priests from there to Germany where the community has got little in common with them, face different everyday problems. A civil person cannot stop it, it has to be done on governmental level.
1. Any priest, like catholic ones, has to study theology before assuming a post here.
2. Any mosque in the west should become financially independent from outside.
The cultural problems from importing hundreds of thousands/millions of poor people from war torn areas are not the fault of the the people being imported IMO. A competent government wouldn't allow this to happen. I'm not sure how the financial backing for mosques work but wouldn't this be similar to the Vatican helping pay to build a church? Not sure if that's a thing
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Those are the most important aspects.
I don't like headscarves because they're asymbol of backwardness. I am familiar with the religious scripts of all religions. In none of them, you had to go full ninja. Women and MEN were required to cover their heads during any kind of mess because if the dirt and fleas people had back then as precaition. Men are absolutely required to wear the small hat the pope wears in all 3 religions when outside. It's not women bur men who are required to wear them :lol:
People aren't even familiar with their own religions.
They probably see many things you would do as a sign of degeneracy, would you adjust your behaviour to suit them?
Many muslim women want to be covered, should your discomfort dictate their form of dress? Should muslim women follow the path of western women? Would they be better off selling themselves on Onlyfans or tinder? Becoming some miserable catwoman CEO?