Quote (dro94 @ Feb 14 2021 02:21am)

Brexit isn’t worth it just because of being ahead in vaccinations by a few months. The long term harm to exporters having to fill in customs declarations forms and other red tape like rules of origin and VAT is big on both sides. When the UK grace period is over and we start checking goods coming in there will be further disruption like what we’ve already seen with EU checks on our goods. Some of it will be temporary as we become clearer on the rules but there is a permanent loss of efficiency associated with the extra red tape. No deal on financial services either which is very bad for the UK - how could the government be so foolish to only agree a deal covering goods when the UK is 80% services? We should use our vaccine supply as a negotiating tool instead of simply handing over our vaccines to the EU when they start demanding them.

Quote (fender @ Feb 14 2021 01:52am)

using "our vaccines" (developed by a swedish-british multinational pharma company, produced in facilities expanded with EU funds) as leverage, lol... and not a word about importing the german vaccine - maybe that should have been held back as "negotiating tool"? ignorant af, srsly...

Quote (MSX98 @ 4 Feb 2021 15:31)

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 14 Feb 2021 12:40)

The AstraZeneca vaccine is crap anyway - too little efficacy to provide herd immunity against the more contagious variants even under ideal circumstances, a notable dropoff in efficacy among the most important group of patients (the elderly), and particularly ineffective against variants like the South African or Brazilian ones.

The UK inoculating its population with this particular vaccine will help them, but it will not be enough for them to return to the pre-pandemic normal.
Theoretically, once all risk groups have gotten the jab with a 95% efficacy vaccine, society could open up a lot and put up with far higher infection numbers without risking an overburdening of the healthcare system - but with a 70% vaccine, you cant do that.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 14 2021 11:40am)

The AstraZeneca vaccine is crap anyway - too little efficacy to provide herd immunity against the more contagious variants even under ideal circumstances, a notable dropoff in efficacy among the most important group of patients (the elderly), and particularly ineffective against variants like the South African or Brazilian ones.

The UK inoculating its population with this particular vaccine will help them, but it will not be enough for them to return to the pre-pandemic normal.
Theoretically, once all risk groups have gotten the jab with a 95% efficacy vaccine, society could open up a lot and put up with far higher infection numbers without risking an overburdening of the healthcare system - but with a 70% vaccine, you cant do that.

Quote (dro94 @ Feb 14 2021 02:21am)

Brexit isn’t worth it just because of being ahead in vaccinations by a few months. The long term harm to exporters having to fill in customs declarations forms and other red tape like rules of origin and VAT is big on both sides. When the UK grace period is over and we start checking goods coming in there will be further disruption like what we’ve already seen with EU checks on our goods. Some of it will be temporary as we become clearer on the rules but there is a permanent loss of efficiency associated with the extra red tape. No deal on financial services either which is very bad for the UK - how could the government be so foolish to only agree a deal covering goods when the UK is 80% services? We should use our vaccine supply as a negotiating tool instead of simply handing over our vaccines to the EU when they start demanding them.