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Nov 10 2023 05:13am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Nov 10 2023 10:46am)
That is the type of thinking that led to the holocaust, there are a lot a problems in the Islamic world but many of them stem from the whole region being destabilized for generations and used as a warzone for foreign powers, that doesn't excuse the actions of those who use religion as a tool to further their goals but actions have consequences and Islamic fundamentalism/extremism didn't arise out of thin air.

Jews commited many acts of terrorism in order to secure their statehood in Israel, do you know the history of zionism and how Israel came to be? You can argue that those people had good reason to do what they did but the terrorists from hamas no doubt feel the same way. You can say it is on them to capitulate and integrate but that is as likely as Jews capitulating to their demands and dissolving the state of Israel.


Their problem is their Mekka isn't located in a highly civilized country like Italy which withstood millennia of changes. Their role model is a despotic dictatorship called Saudi Arabia, Katar etc. who are still in middle ages. All of the wealth or skyscrapers they build doesn't change that fact. These people have got lots of money and finance all kind of radical Islamic branches all around the world causing those problems. Hamas, Isis of whatever they call themselves, they've got their roots not just in the US instigating conflicts but the US looking away when Saudis fuck around ( Bin Laden :lol: ). Up until today, people don't even question why the US went to Afghanistan if the main culprit and all of the perpetrators were Arabs or Saudis :lol:

The solution is for the Muslims themselves to create their own flavor of Islam in their own communities, detached from the backwards thinking Saudis. For that, the EU and the US governments should prohibit any kind of financing or foreign intervention in religious matters. But as you know, they wouldn't move a finger because of dem profits in middle east. So you are left slandering ordinary people in developed countries who don't have anything to do with the political agendas of those backwater countries. Those racists wouldn't dare to confront a real extremist, they're much too afraid :lol:

I can't stand women with headscarfs, religious fundamentalists and other bullshit here but I don't go around making life harder for people who do their best to contribute to the society.

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Isn't your PM a muslim? Has he beheaded any infidels yet?


First minister, not elected by public vote yet.

Yes.

No.

How does that disprove my point?
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Nov 10 2023 05:15am
The extermist are telling you the truth you just refuse listening


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Nov 10 2023 05:21am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 10 Nov 2023 14:09)
Isn't your PM a muslim? Has he beheaded any infidels yet?


Look who's talking

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Nov 10 2023 05:22am
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Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 10 2023 07:12am)
I know about everything all of the organizations were came to be to protect the yeshuv which suffered pogroms and massacres from Arabs
And this has nothing to do with the Hamas conflict
We managed to form civilized country which respect human and civil rights and we are fight brutes who respect death and sorrow

You clearly don't if you say all of their actions were defensive, they were not, the only alternative is you are a fanatic for your cause so you can't see fact. Why didn't the old Yeshuv need those organizations?

This has everything to do with the Hamas conflict, you can't ignore the history if you want to solve it. I don't think the millions of Palestinians there see it as civilized or feel their human/civil rights are respected, nor does a large percent or the world. Your civilized country was formed on the theft of land and the persecution of its native inhabitants who had done nothing to you to warrant that, you can say you don't care but they do and they aren't going away. Bomb away, you cant break them and even if you managed to the rest of the Arab world will despise Israel forever and the US won't always have your back.
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Nov 10 2023 05:39am
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ 10 Nov 2023 13:24)
You clearly don't if you say all of their actions were defensive, they were not, the only alternative is you are a fanatic for your cause so you can't see fact. Why didn't the old Yeshuv need those organizations?

This has everything to do with the Hamas conflict, you can't ignore the history if you want to solve it. I don't think the millions of Palestinians there see it as civilized or feel their human/civil rights are respected, nor does a large percent or the world. Your civilized country was formed on the theft of land and the persecution of its native inhabitants who had done nothing to you to warrant that, you can say you don't care but they do and they aren't going away. Bomb away, you cant break them and even if you managed to the rest of the Arab world will despise Israel forever and the US won't always have your back.


Old yeshuv didnt need because this place was practically empty
Read mark twain
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Nov 10 2023 06:23am
Allegedly a Palestinian man wearing red crescent vest running over to wounded figther, grabbing rifle and giving it to another fighter...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/17rg1tj/red_crescent_red_cross_palestinian_medic_taking/
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Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Nov 10 2023 01:24pm)
You clearly don't if you say all of their actions were defensive, they were not, the only alternative is you are a fanatic for your cause so you can't see fact. Why didn't the old Yeshuv need those organizations?

This has everything to do with the Hamas conflict, you can't ignore the history if you want to solve it. I don't think the millions of Palestinians there see it as civilized or feel their human/civil rights are respected, nor does a large percent or the world. Your civilized country was formed on the theft of land and the persecution of its native inhabitants who had done nothing to you to warrant that, you can say you don't care but they do and they aren't going away. Bomb away, you cant break them and even if you managed to the rest of the Arab world will despise Israel forever and the US won't always have your back.


Look up how many Jews there are in Syria, Lebanon , Egypt ?
We have no other place. Your claims are old and not relevant for today generation.
If the Palestinians wants to “take their land back” (debatable, but to the sake of the argument) they will have to do it over our dead body. Literally.
Sometimes a nation needs to close its ears from international criticism and to do what is needed for its own survival.
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Nov 10 2023 06:36am
Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 10 Nov 2023 14:23)
Allegedly a Palestinian man wearing red crescent vest running over to wounded figther, grabbing rifle and giving it to another fighter...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/17rg1tj/red_crescent_red_cross_palestinian_medic_taking/


innocent...
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