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Quote (Thor123422 @ 23 May 2020 18:41)
The thing is in America at least unhealthy foods are the thing that is convenient, has acceptable taste, and is cheap. When you realize this and that the people choosing it have limited resources in both money and time then it becomes clear why they are less healthy. We don't subsidize healthy options, we subsidize corn sugar.

So it's not just fast food. It's everything at the store.


It's always the same thing we are hearing here about US (but also UK) food here: the more unhealthy & processed, the cheaper.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ May 23 2020 06:41pm)
The thing is in America at least unhealthy foods are the thing that is convenient, has acceptable taste, and is cheap. When you realize this and that the people choosing it have limited resources in both money and time then it becomes clear why they are less healthy. We don't subsidize healthy options, we subsidize corn sugar.

So it's not just fast food. It's everything at the store.


That's a good point. Just look at the ingredients list on any pre-prepared or processed food in the store and you'll find sugar there. I still remember the lie they tried to sell us with the "Food Pyramid" where carbs (including very sugary foods like breakfast cereals and white bread) were supposed to be 50% of one's diet whereas fat was considered bad and only meant to be 5%.

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That's a good point. Just look at the ingredients list on any pre-prepared or processed food in the store and you'll find sugar there. I still remember the lie they tried to sell us with the "Food Pyramid" where carbs (including very sugary foods like breakfast cereals and white bread) were supposed to be 50% of one's diet whereas fat was considered bad and only meant to be 5%.


Big pharma, chemical, and food companies sponsoring the FDA to peddle the food they manufacture.

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What is "cross immunity"?

This expression is used to designate an immunity acquired during a first infection and which will protect later against another infectious agent (virus or bacteria). Generally, an antibody is specific. But sometimes, certain antibodies can fight against bacteria or viruses of similar species. Thus, individuals may have acquired protection against Sars-CoV-2 by having been exposed in the past to other coronaviruses causing common colds.

This hypothesis, which remains to be verified, was raised by American researchers in the specialized journal Cell. According to them, 40 to 60% of the population could be immunized against Covid-19 without even having been exposed to it. If this hypothesis is confirmed, Sars-CoV-2 would no longer have many people to infect.
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Quote (EA7 @ 23 May 2020 12:53)
That's a good point. Just look at the ingredients list on any pre-prepared or processed food in the store and you'll find sugar there. I still remember the lie they tried to sell us with the "Food Pyramid" where carbs (including very sugary foods like breakfast cereals and white bread) were supposed to be 50% of one's diet whereas fat was considered bad and only meant to be 5%.

well said my friend!
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Quote (Thor123422 @ 23 May 2020 18:41)
The thing is in America at least unhealthy foods are the thing that is convenient, has acceptable taste, and is cheap. When you realize this and that the people choosing it have limited resources in both money and time then it becomes clear why they are less healthy. We don't subsidize healthy options, we subsidize corn sugar.

So it's not just fast food. It's everything at the store.


This debate isnt foreign to Germany either. The gist of it is that if you know what you're doing, then a sufficiently healthy diet is actually slightly cheaper than eating fast food/pre-prepared food all week long. But the situation might be different in the U.S., I'll give you that. Food is indeed unusually cheap in Germany, so it might be us and not the United States who are the outlier in this regard.

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 23 May 2020 19:14)
What is "cross immunity"?

This expression is used to designate an immunity acquired during a first infection and which will protect later against another infectious agent (virus or bacteria). Generally, an antibody is specific. But sometimes, certain antibodies can fight against bacteria or viruses of similar species. Thus, individuals may have acquired protection against Sars-CoV-2 by having been exposed in the past to other coronaviruses causing common colds.

This hypothesis, which remains to be verified, was raised by American researchers in the specialized journal Cell. According to them, 40 to 60% of the population could be immunized against Covid-19 without even having been exposed to it. If this hypothesis is confirmed, Sars-CoV-2 would no longer have many people to infect.


I've read a hypothesis a couple of weeks ago, it was meant to explain why we saw so little difference between the outcomes of countries which went for a super strict lockdown and those which went for a soft one.

The idea was that the R_0 of Sars-CoV-2 is actually not in the ballpark of 2-3, it instead is about 5 or 6, but with around half the population not susceptible due to cross-immunities.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 23 2020 01:28pm)
This debate isnt foreign to Germany either. The gist of it is that if you know what you're doing, then a sufficiently healthy diet is actually slightly cheaper than eating fast food/pre-prepared food all week long. But the situation might be different in the U.S., I'll give you that. Food is indeed unusually cheap in Germany, so it might be us and not the United States who are the outlier in this regard.


It's only cheaper if you consider your time and taste to be worthless
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May 23 2020 02:18pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 24 2020 02:23am)
When I worked at Papa Johns I delivered to the nicer neighborhoods. Lots of middle class families and a few golf courses. The rich people never tipped. Ever. Despite being the furthest away on our delivery map. The middle class people tipped very generously.

I did half of one shift in the north part of town and fuck, never went back. Didn't even finish my shift. Never again.


Rich people only tip if there is an audience, if they can't impress anyone by doing it they won't bother.

Australia pretty much banned corn syrup.
Our Pepsi tastes worse but our coke is better.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ May 23 2020 02:51pm)
It's only cheaper if you consider your time and taste to be worthless


Time is a fair point, taste isn't.

Self-prepared food tastes better than fast food, which is overpriced, nutritionally deficient, mediocre tasting garbage.
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