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Nov 28 2020 03:16pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 26 2020 10:35am)
I posted direct quotes, you didn't like the conclusions of the review and downplay it. What else is new?

Tens of millions of dollars and 3+ years of investigation and all you got is a bunch of financial crimes, process crimes, and things like Manafort failing to register as a foreign actor for Ukraine, basically shit that has nothing to do with Russia collision oh and a partisan impeachment which literally broke down by party lines. If there was any shred of actual evidence linking Trump to this you would have had republicans break rank. It was a political investigation and it broke down on political lines when the chips settled. Some of us knew this 4 years ago while you still continue to have issues with accepting this reality today despite the outcome.



This is sad.
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Nov 28 2020 03:32pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Nov 28 2020 02:24pm)
Theres no controversy here.

In Bush v Gore there was a genuine issue to solve. Theres literally nothing to adjudicate here.


Right? Not only have many of his cases been getting dismissed or withdrawn due to lack of evidence, several of them have been found that the plaintiff doesn't even have standing (PA, TX, GA, among others). That SCOTUS would even grant cert to most of these is highly unlikely.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 26 2020 01:08am)
Congress (House or Senate) investigating something like that just doesnt work. In practice, it violates separation of powers since the president will almost always be the de facto leader of his party and almost always hold soft power over "his" senators and congresspeople. (He can threaten to prop up a primary challenger, or threaten to withdraw access to the WH from dissenters and weaken their power/influence over policy this way, etc.)

Conversely, if the opposition party controls Congress, such an investigation will predictably devolve into a partisan circus which is more concerned with landing blows on the president than uncovering the truth.

Congress will always be compromised by partisan interests and personal career considerations of all sorts. You're never gonna get a clean, neutral investigation out of it. In theory, a neutral, objective agency like the FBI is the right place for an investigation like this. The true crux in the Trump/Comey/Mueller/impeachment saga was the fact that the FBI itself had become compromised by partisanship, that its leadership was clearly working against the elected president.





More generally speaking, it is a huge problem that the federal bureaucracy is increasingly aligned with one of the two parties instead of being nonpartisan. And as the Trump years have shown, they are increasingly willing to flex their muscles to undermine a lawfully elected president who wants to steer policy in a direction they dont like. Many career bureaucrats were flouting the will of the American people, as expressed by the result of the presidential election. This is a really concerning precedent. Strange that all of you who were constantly worried about Trump eroding democratic norms and institutions never talked about this kind of norm erosion and undemocratic behavior.


so the president, who is the head of the DOJ which contains the FBI is less of a compromising position than party loyalties? Jeff Sessions recused himself lol.

if we're talking how this one worked out, ok, but generally? lol.
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Nov 30 2020 12:15pm
Quote (IceMage @ 30 Nov 2020 12:11)


Disgraceful and Traitorous is ignoring it because you think you have to win at all cost. I imagine most people still spouting "don't look, orange man bad, Election fraud isn't real" are all on Government assistance.
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Nov 30 2020 12:33pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 30 2020 04:58am)
so the president, who is the head of the DOJ which contains the FBI is less of a compromising position than party loyalties? Jeff Sessions recused himself lol.

if we're talking how this one worked out, ok, but generally? lol.


This is true in the general sense. The oversight committees need to be much more in tune with what the IG office is doing AND much more powerful.
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Nov 30 2020 03:19pm
https://www.newsweek.com/should-trump-concede-yes-opinion-1549340

Should Trump concede? Yes

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if Donald Trump is serious about remaining the head of the Republican Party or to run again in 2024, he must not allow the GOP to be dragged down a conspiratorial rabbit hole. The Republican Party is still Trump's to command. But if, due to his anger and bitterness over his loss, he uses that power to distract the GOP from its true priorities in the coming weeks, it will be disastrous.


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if Trump's mission is to continue fighting for the issues and the citizens he championed in office, he needs to put the country out of its misery and prepare to move on in order to give himself and the GOP a chance to succeed in the future.


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In order to win victories down the road that will help preserve the values Republicans cherish, Trump must acknowledge reality. Doing so could lay the foundation for a highly effective stance in which he can be his party's—and his voters'—tribune, calling Biden to account for his blunders and preparing the way for a Grover Cleveland-style return to the White House in 2024.

But such a reversal of fortune could be derailed if Trump drags the country through the mud over the next two months, as his defenders are forced to fall back on increasingly desperate scenarios to explain their refusal to accept the fact that, like it or not, Biden won.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 30 Nov 2020 15:19)


Hell NO!

Biden Crime Family.





The Intro:
1. https://i.imgur.com/0nxIxln.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/C8gZwod.png
3. https://i.imgur.com/jj3uoMm.png

Biden Family:
1. https://i.ibb.co/khwFP9D/image.png
2. https://i.ibb.co/zS3zC25/image.png
3. https://i.ibb.co/gtzwYHn/image.png
4. https://i.ibb.co/C7Zs8MH/image.png

Hunter Biden:
1. https://i.ibb.co/qd16FmL/image.png
2. https://i.ibb.co/WfDkk1X/image.png
3. https://i.ibb.co/YP9b9Wr/image.png
4. https://i.ibb.co/7KP4tns/image.png
5. https://i.ibb.co/Cn9rxQf/image.png
6. https://i.ibb.co/nk7rybj/image.png

The Approach!
1. https://i.imgur.com/ISGjV4n.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/iIS36pa.png

The Strawman!
1. https://i.imgur.com/K4LJTOZ.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/2d3UXCQ.png

Targeted by China's Foreign Influence Organizations
1. https://i.imgur.com/vb9V4Yf.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/HoSqCdd.png

Biden and Hunter Mix Business with Politics
1. https://i.imgur.com/Y0vsoMx.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/7dVWIIm.png

The Set-up
On February 1 2013, KERRY became the 68th US Secretary of State, while in the same year, BIDEN
and HUNTER continued to play on their dual role of US negotiator with China and businessman with
China, when they visited the country together in 2013.


1. https://i.imgur.com/lyL5k1z.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/9zjMGnL.png
3. https://i.imgur.com/qJStkiG.png
4. https://i.imgur.com/rVDtgnC.png
5. https://i.imgur.com/nhXNahD.png

Biden Softens Views on China:
1. https://i.imgur.com/XVgNcsC.png

THE PLAYERS
1. https://i.imgur.com/SrEUp6E.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/HYZkz1N.png
3. https://i.imgur.com/KfZxylm.png
4. https://i.imgur.com/B4yZcQ2.png
5. https://i.imgur.com/MmbVPN4.png

Detailed Timeline:

1. https://i.imgur.com/yPwOA91.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/Sy7uT1K.png
3. https://i.imgur.com/0FbTgeL.png
4. https://i.imgur.com/YI4cUmp.png
5. https://i.imgur.com/8Cl57Sd.png
6. https://i.imgur.com/RtzVnDo.png
7. https://i.imgur.com/y0nEiaC.png
8. https://i.imgur.com/L2kh4uR.png
9. https://i.imgur.com/1Nqu3Mv.jpg
10. https://i.imgur.com/PTH6Znl.png
11. https://i.imgur.com/RjWmtkT.png
12. https://i.imgur.com/e9jyKr7.png
13. https://i.imgur.com/z9qOUep.png
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Nov 30 2020 04:49pm
Quote (Jere @ 30 Nov 2020 23:26)
Hell NO!

Biden Crime Family.

https://i.imgur.com/POu9mge.png
https://i.imgur.com/C4Q3tnR.png
https://i.imgur.com/c14VjaI.png


The Intro:
1. https://i.imgur.com/0nxIxln.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/C8gZwod.png
3. https://i.imgur.com/jj3uoMm.png

Biden Family:
1. https://i.ibb.co/khwFP9D/image.png
2. https://i.ibb.co/zS3zC25/image.png
3. https://i.ibb.co/gtzwYHn/image.png
4. https://i.ibb.co/C7Zs8MH/image.png

Hunter Biden:
1. https://i.ibb.co/qd16FmL/image.png
2. https://i.ibb.co/WfDkk1X/image.png
3. https://i.ibb.co/YP9b9Wr/image.png
4. https://i.ibb.co/7KP4tns/image.png
5. https://i.ibb.co/Cn9rxQf/image.png
6. https://i.ibb.co/nk7rybj/image.png

The Approach!
1. https://i.imgur.com/ISGjV4n.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/iIS36pa.png

The Strawman!
1. https://i.imgur.com/K4LJTOZ.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/2d3UXCQ.png

Targeted by China's Foreign Influence Organizations
1. https://i.imgur.com/vb9V4Yf.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/HoSqCdd.png

Biden and Hunter Mix Business with Politics
1. https://i.imgur.com/Y0vsoMx.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/7dVWIIm.png

The Set-up
On February 1 2013, KERRY became the 68th US Secretary of State, while in the same year, BIDEN
and HUNTER continued to play on their dual role of US negotiator with China and businessman with
China, when they visited the country together in 2013.


1. https://i.imgur.com/lyL5k1z.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/9zjMGnL.png
3. https://i.imgur.com/qJStkiG.png
4. https://i.imgur.com/rVDtgnC.png
5. https://i.imgur.com/nhXNahD.png

Biden Softens Views on China:
1. https://i.imgur.com/XVgNcsC.png

THE PLAYERS
1. https://i.imgur.com/SrEUp6E.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/HYZkz1N.png
3. https://i.imgur.com/KfZxylm.png
4. https://i.imgur.com/B4yZcQ2.png
5. https://i.imgur.com/MmbVPN4.png

Detailed Timeline:

1. https://i.imgur.com/yPwOA91.png
2. https://i.imgur.com/Sy7uT1K.png
3. https://i.imgur.com/0FbTgeL.png
4. https://i.imgur.com/YI4cUmp.png
5. https://i.imgur.com/8Cl57Sd.png
6. https://i.imgur.com/RtzVnDo.png
7. https://i.imgur.com/y0nEiaC.png
8. https://i.imgur.com/L2kh4uR.png
9. https://i.imgur.com/1Nqu3Mv.jpg
10. https://i.imgur.com/PTH6Znl.png
11. https://i.imgur.com/RjWmtkT.png
12. https://i.imgur.com/e9jyKr7.png
13. https://i.imgur.com/z9qOUep.png


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