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May 23 2020 10:17am
Quote (Thor123422 @ May 23 2020 12:02pm)
Yes, and when you have limited resources and work long hours you go for the cheapest food with the least preparation. It's not an accident that poor people end up less healthy, it's a decision based on the circumstances.


Gotta cook that meal after you work a double bro.

I'm glad I'm not doing doubles waiting tables or delivering pizzas anymore. The last time I delivered a pizza somebody got in my car and pointed a gun at me. After i got rid of him i delivered my last pizza, went back to Papa Johns downtown Cincinnati, and cashed out and clocked out. I was so matter of fact and calm about it they didn't believe me until I was walking out the door.

Working in a meat department sucked but nobody ever pointed a gun at me lol. Delivering pizza sucks. It's like having a bunch of shitty adventures. For example I had to climb over a barbwire fence with a wrist cast on and pins in my wrist because i went out the wrong door of an apartment complex in the ghetto and nobody would let me back in to go out the right door. People I just delivered food to hung up on me.

Poor people jobs suck. Construction is reliably the number one field for suicides and its just poor people sacrificing their bodies....but any dude can go swing a hammer for money and that's part of our privilege i think.

I swear delivering pizza was worse than being in the army as a tank crewman lol.

I've had a lot of shitty jobs. I've been working since i was 14. I've also been on unemployment twice and that was bomb.


Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 23 2020 12:05pm)
In a court of law, that would be ridiculous. In the court of public opinion, which is what politics is at the end of the day, that's how it works.




Is it really that hard to, for example, buy a pack of frozen vegetables (which btw retain most of their vitamines) and a box of eggs and prepare scrambled or fried egg with spinach? Is it that hard to cook some rice instead of french fries? Is it that hard to drink soda instead of coke?

I dont deny that it requires more time, effort and discipline to eat somewhat healthy, particularly when you're poor. I totally get that. It IS hard, definitely. But you describe it as this insurmountable mountain to climb, and I just fail to see that...


Caffeine and sugar from a coke help in the last 5 hours of a 16 hour shift feeding people.

The other coke is better than that. Healthier too. Plenty of that around service culture.

It would be better for everyone if they brought them back together again.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ 23 May 2020 18:13)
Then I don't think you've ever been in a position where you worked 50 hours and did 18 hours in school, or worked 60 hours and raised kids, etc. etc.

Effort isn't an unlimited resource, and when you have limited education and time it can be an insurmountable mountain to do it every day, because the extra hour a day often just isn't there. You can spend it making that meal or helping your kids with their homework, or buying your kids a new pair of shoes they need, etc. etc.

It's hard to imagine what being poor is like unless you experience it, I get that.


Do you need to do it every day to avoid malnutrition or obesity? You're making it sound like it's inevitable that people balloon to 300lbs when they eat KFC twice a week or something like that.

Also, if the kids are older, you can teach them how to cook certain meals, so they can do it for you. Cooking rice or a pack of frozen vegetables isnt complicated, even 12 year olds can do that if you teach them how.


Like... I know what point you're making, it just doesnt convince me on an intellectual level. But ok, admittedly, my own life experience is perhaps just too different to really empathize with what it feels like to be really poor.

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Quote (Skinned @ May 23 2020 11:17am)
Gotta cook that meal after you work a double bro.

I'm glad I'm not doing doubles waiting tables or delivering pizzas anymore. The last time I delivered a pizza somebody got in my car and pointed a gun at me. After i got rid of him i delivered my last pizza, went back to Papa Johns downtown Cincinnati, and cashed out and clocked out. I was so matter of fact and calm about it they didn't believe me until I was walking out the door.

Working in a meat department sucked but nobody ever pointed a gun at me lol. Delivering pizza sucks. It's like having a bunch of shitty adventures. For example I had to climb over a barbwire fence with a wrist cast on and pins in my wrist because i went out the wrong door of an apartment complex in the ghetto and nobody would let me back in to go out the right door. People I just delivered food to hung up on me.

Poor people jobs suck. Construction is reliably the number one field for suicides and its just poor people sacrificing their bodies....but any dude can go swing a hammer for money and that's part of our privilege i think.

I swear delivering pizza was worse than being in the army as a tank crewman lol.

I've had a lot of shitty jobs. I've been working since i was 14. I've also been on unemployment twice and that was bomb.


When I worked at Papa Johns I delivered to the nicer neighborhoods. Lots of middle class families and a few golf courses. The rich people never tipped. Ever. Despite being the furthest away on our delivery map. The middle class people tipped very generously.

I did half of one shift in the north part of town and fuck, never went back. Didn't even finish my shift. Never again.
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May 23 2020 10:24am
Covid-19 hurts lower/excluded classes in all countries, regardless of skin color, here it's more likely immigrants (of various origins), in Brazil it's Favelas, in US it's Black people...
Reasons are well know, Oh...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/racial-ethnic-minorities.html

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 23 2020 11:22am)
Do you need to do it every day to avoid malnutrition or obesity? You're making it sound like it's inevitable that people balloon to 300lbs when they eat KFC twice a week or something like that.
Also, if the kids are older, you can teach them how to cook certain meals, so they can do it for you. Cooking rice or a pack of frozen vegetables isnt complicated, even 12 year olds can do that if you teach them how.
Like... I know what point you're making, it just doesnt convince me on an intellectual level. But ok, admittedly, my own life experience is perhaps just too different to really empathize with what it feels like to be really poor.


Obesity starts way before 300 lb dude. You're making it sound like all Americans run around on scooters because they're too fat to walk or hobbling around with rickets.

I think you need to define what you mean, because it sounds like you're arguing that the average poor person belongs on My 600lb Life and has bones collapsing from Vitamin D deficiency.

Honestly this post makes me think the reality of poverty is so foreign to you that you only know about it through stereotypes.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on May 23 2020 10:26am
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 23 2020 12:24pm)
Covid-19 hurts lower/excluded classes in all countries, regardless of skin color, here it's more likely immigrants (of various origins), in Brazil it's Favelas, in US it's Black people...
Reasons are well know, Oh...

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/need-extra-precautions/racial-ethnic-minorities.html

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For the US, these people are likely to be essential workers in the front line - some of them cannot afford to not work.

Also, how about those working on visas? Will this administration protect those who need to work to maintain their status if they are unable to due to corona?

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May 23 2020 10:34am
any trump sympathizers here going to chime in on why, during a global pandemic, the president of the country who has the most corona cases and over 100k deaths is golfing?

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Quote (Thor123422 @ 23 May 2020 18:25)
Obesity starts way before 300 lb dude. You're making it sound like all Americans run around on scooters because they're too fat to walk or hobbling around with rickets.

I think you need to define what you mean, because it sounds like you're arguing that the average poor person belongs on My 600lb Life and has bones collapsing from Vitamin D deficiency.


Well, obesity (BMI > 30) is a big risk factor for Covid. Afaik, being a little bit chubby isnt a problem. I just looked it up, for a man my size (6'2"), obesity/a BMI > 30 would start at 105kg/231lbs.

So yeah, ok, talking about 300lbs was perhaps a bit polemical. My broader point still stands though: I dont think that most people would become obese by just occassionally eating unhealthy.

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May 23 2020 10:36am
Quote (Budgeting @ 23 May 2020 18:29)
For the US, these people are likely to be essential workers in the front line - some of them cannot afford to not work.

Also, how about those working on visas? Will this administration protect those who need to work to maintain their status if they are unable to due to corona?


There's probably groups within the groups....

nb: yep i was surprised to find such a paper on your gov website, it's possible they are hiding some points. It's completely unfair in anyway.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 23 2020 11:34am)
Well, obesity (BMI > 30) is a big risk factor for Covid. Afaik, being a little bit chubby isnt a problem. I just looked it up, for a man my size (6'2"), obesity/a BMI > 30 would start at 105kg/231lbs.

So yeah, ok, talking about 300lbs was perhaps a bit polemical. My broader point still stands though: I dont think that most people would become obese by just occassionally eating unhealthy.


The thing is in America at least unhealthy foods are the thing that is convenient, has acceptable taste, and is cheap. When you realize this and that the people choosing it have limited resources in both money and time then it becomes clear why they are less healthy. We don't subsidize healthy options, we subsidize corn sugar.

So it's not just fast food. It's everything at the store.

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