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May 23 2020 09:50am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 23 2020 10:47am)
I'm naive because I say that poverty doesnt necessarily have to lead to obesity or malnutrition?! oO



Its a worthless point. Getting shot doesnt necessarily lead to death. Going to jail doesnt necessarily lead to poverty. Crashing a car doesnt necessarily lead to injury.

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May 23 2020 09:54am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 23 2020 11:47am)
I'm naive because I say that poverty doesnt necessarily have to lead to obesity or malnutrition?! oO



That's because a majority of the population at large were much more prude back then and didnt condone of Clinton's adultery, even Democrats. During Clinton's impeachment, a pretty big majority of the population thought that he did act improper, but that he shouldnt be impeached.

Nowadays, the country is much more polarized. The real reason why Republicans in Congress dont oppose Trump is Trump's overwhelming approval rating among the Republican base, 85% or higher. In the light of these numbers, it would have been career suicide for Republicans to impeach Trump or otherwise do anything meaningful to rein him in.


So somebody's guilt should be determined by their popularity? That's ridiculous.

And eating healthy takes money to buy nicer things, you need fruits and vegetables available to purchase, and you need time to prepare it. Meanwhile you have to work longer hours or second job to pay bills, you have to pay more per item, like a dollar more per gallon of milk or loaf of bread, and carry enough groceries on a bus (honestly its usually bus to and taxi from).

Of course obesity and malnutrition, especially in the same people, are symptoms of poverty.

Its takes a lot of time and effort to eat healthy, its a real privilege.

Its soooo much cheaper and easier to get a stouffers lasanga or KFC.

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Its a worthless point. Getting shot doesnt necessarily lead to death. Going to jail doesnt necessarily lead to poverty. Crashing a car doesnt necessarily lead to injury.


The underlying issue of this discussion is how to distribute blame for a bad outcome between circumstances and self-responsibility/making bad decisions.
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May 23 2020 09:57am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 23 2020 11:55am)
The underlying issue of this discussion is how to distribute blame for a bad outcome between circumstances and self-responsibility/making bad decisions.


When you were just given a range of bad choices you should not be punished for making a bad choice.

Most people in poverty are not even taught to understand their predicament. Critical education is just not available like that.

There's a reason that its cyclical.

Ask a kid from a poor school why other kids have better books, sports and buses and he will stay because they're better. It's internalized at a very early age.

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Quote (EndlessSky @ May 23 2020 08:43am)
https://i.imgur.com/olhpiT7.gif



This is what we have to fucking deal with on the right. There's a bunch of news casters with differing opinions on the right using different theories or historical examples.

Then we actually get into a debate with a leftist and this is the fucking best you can do. "Hurr durr kill grandmuh"

You're not even worth the time of day anymore.


what? this isn't a debate.. its him and i discussion about how there has to be some motivation between "brown suit freak out". "Obama must resign after 2 Ebola deaths "and forgiveness for golfing during 100k deaths.
if your so fucking dense you can't see the different standards, no wonder conversations confuse you.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 23 2020 11:55am)
The underlying issue of this discussion is how to distribute blame for a bad outcome between circumstances and self-responsibility/making bad decisions.


sooooooooooooooooooooooo where does trump's coronavirus response fit in your issue of distribute blame for a bad outcome between circumstance and self responsibility/making bad decisions.

He had everything he could ever want to ensure he made the right choices. He chose wrong. Every day, every week, for the last few months.


100k dead. Who is to blame?


Go.
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May 23 2020 10:02am
Quote (EndlessSky @ May 23 2020 11:43am)
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This is what we have to fucking deal with on the right. There's a bunch of news casters with differing opinions on the right using different theories or historical examples.

Then we actually get into a debate with a leftist and this is the fucking best you can do. "Hurr durr kill grandmuh"

You're not even worth the time of day anymore.


Anything is seen as left to a right wing extremist. If you support trump, you aren't a conservative. Trump is not a conservative lmao.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 23 2020 10:55am)
The underlying issue of this discussion is how to distribute blame for a bad outcome between circumstances and self-responsibility/making bad decisions.


Yes, and when you have limited resources and work long hours you go for the cheapest food with the least preparation. It's not an accident that poor people end up less healthy, it's a decision based on the circumstances.
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May 23 2020 10:05am
Quote (Skinned @ 23 May 2020 17:54)
So somebody's guilt should be determined by their popularity? That's ridiculous.


In a court of law, that would be ridiculous. In the court of public opinion, which is what politics is at the end of the day, that's how it works.


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And eating healthy takes money to buy nicer things, you need fruits and vegetables available to purchase, and you need time to prepare it. Meanwhile you have to work longer hours or second job to pay bills, you have to pay more per item, like a dollar more per gallon of milk or loaf of bread, and carry enough groceries for several days on a bus (honestly its usually bus to and taxi from).

Of course obesity and malnutrition, especially in the same people, are symptoms of poverty.

Its takes a lot of time and effort to eat healthy, its a real privilege.

Its soooo much cheaper and easier to get a stouffers lasanga or KFC.


Is it really that hard to, for example, buy a pack of frozen vegetables (which btw retain most of their vitamines) and a box of eggs and prepare scrambled or fried egg with spinach? Is it that hard to cook some rice instead of french fries? Is it that hard to drink soda instead of coke?

I dont deny that it requires more time, effort and discipline to eat somewhat healthy, particularly when you're poor. I totally get that. It IS hard, definitely. But you describe it as this insurmountable mountain to climb, and I just fail to see that...
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May 23 2020 10:13am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 23 2020 11:05am)
Is it really that hard to, for example, buy a pack of frozen vegetables (which btw retain most of their vitamines) and a box of eggs and prepare scrambled or fried egg with spinach? Is it that hard to cook some rice instead of french fries? Is it that hard to drink soda instead of coke?

I dont deny that it requires more time, effort and discipline to eat somewhat healthy, particularly when you're poor. I totally get that. It IS hard, definitely. But you describe it as this insurmountable mountain to climb, and I just fail to see that...


Then I don't think you've ever been in a position where you worked 50 hours and did 18 hours in school, or worked 60 hours and raised kids, etc. etc.

Effort isn't an unlimited resource, and when you have limited education and time it can be an insurmountable mountain to do it every day, because the extra hour a day often just isn't there. You can spend it making that meal or helping your kids with their homework, or buying your kids a new pair of shoes they need, etc. etc.

It's hard to imagine what being poor is like unless you experience it, I get that.

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