you're not a science denier for disagreeing with me, you're a science denier for siding with people who ignore the advice of the overwhelming majority of experts in the field.
you're not a bootlicker for disagreeing with me, you're a bootlicker for constantly and uncritically defending whatever your draft dodging cult leader chooses as his daily narrative.
you're not a white nationalism apologist for disagreeing with me, you're a white nationalism apologist for repeatedly making excuses for white nationalists.

you can disagree with me without being any of the above. ice mage for example is a conservative, and thundercock is a 'moderate' democrat. they are both supportive of establishment policies, narratives, and candidates all the time, and i constantly disagree with them. they are neither bootlickers nor science deniers, let alone white nationalism apologists though. you'll have to find a different excuse to fool yourself into thinking it's not the content of your posts that makes people call you that. maybe call everyone who mocks your shitty narratives 'stupid and garbage' some more, seems to be working well...

So it was Trump's failed leadership that is responsible for mayor Bill de Blaiso encouraging New Yorkers to go out in early March, when it was already very obvious what was coming and that this was a bad idea?
Trump's failed leadership is responsible for Cuomo sending infectious patients back to nursing homes (a mistake that Gov. DeSantis avoided in Florida, resulting in much lower death numbers)?
Trump's failed leadership is responsible for DeSantis opening up his state too early and promoting a culture of carelessness in Florida (something that a fellow GOP Governor, Mike DeWine, did not do, despite Ohio being a redder state than FL)?
And what exactly is the excuse for the recently surging case numbers in deep blue California, which had handled the initial wave perfectly and now seems to be losing control too?

trump decided to make it a partisan issue in the first place. he decided to play the states against each other out of a misguided political calculation, he decided it's best to NOT have some kind of united response by ignoring the science. you know that. reframing and cherry picking only gets you so far, maybe a meme that can 'convince' bi-ghot and endlesscry, but every halfway intelligent person KNOWS it's trump who is responsible for tens of thousands of unnecessary american deaths during this pandemic, and there's no escaping that truth, no matter how desperate your denials get.



This post was edited by fender on Jul 8 2020 12:33pm

Id support that, but ironically we are too obese now too.

The spike was two weeks after the George Floyd protests. And deaths havent risen at all, just cases.

If it really were the George Floyd protests, the case numbers should go back down again after a few weeks. Will be interesting to see. I doubt it though, we'd be seeing a spike in Northern places like New York or Minnesota too if the protests were the reason for the recent surge.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 8 2020 12:39pm

b-B-bUt hOW iS iT tRumPs FauLt??!

I didn't say they are all his fault, I said it was partially Trump's fault for not providing leadership and a consistent message for others to follow.

Even when it's something that "is the worst blemish of his record" you just can't help yourself.......

This is another pathetic attempt to label figures you don't like a bad thing and then pinning that label on those who disagree with you in arguments concerning those figures.

Making factual points in a discussion doesn't make me a science denier.
Not even if you declare i'm siding with Tucker.



This is a lie.
I do not uncritically defend Trump.

Just another pathetic excuse to dodge and dismiss criticism and the truth.


This is another lie.

I criticized and mocked an SPLC link you posted and you flew off the handle for months on end.
Valid criticism isn't 'repeatedly making excuses for white nationalists' and doesn't make me one either.

Human garbage regularly falsely smears other people as white nationalists and nazis.
You have no intellectual integrity.



Icemage and Tcock are very anti-trump deep state loyalists who are happy to throw their support behind democrats and just about any criticism of Trump.
Icemage is apparently a media matters fanboy now.

I on the other hand choose to call you out on your dishonesty and objectively false claims and regularly argue against leftism and leftists. You hate this.
Your emotion and hatred gets the best of you and you regularly libel people for disagreeing with you and criticizing the left.

Its not a mystery why you choose to falsely label me these names and not them.
It doesn't make it valid.

Rather than being open to the idea that other people can have valid points and actually addressing them on merit you rush to demonize and dismiss them.
White nationalists, nazis, racists, trump bootlickers,science deniers.
Those are the options in your worldview.

Its much easier for you to get mad and lie about people and call them names than to become educated and attempt to refute what they say with actual arguments and facts.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Jul 8 2020 12:44pm

the problem with your pathetic attempts to backpedal regarding your defence of white nationalists is that you did not dispute the FACTS that were presented by the SPLC (namely that stephen miller was spreading white nationalist propaganda in form of a white genocide novel), but that you tried to RE-LABEL those actions by describing it as merely "recommending award winning books".

that's why you never comment on what you did directly, just dishonestly suggest you were merely "criticising a source", when in reality you were sugarcoating someone's pushing of white nationalist bullshit.

regarding tucker: