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Nov 26 2020 10:57am
Haha, was just about to add link. Don't expect to actually click it let alone read it.
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Nov 26 2020 11:04am
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Color me shocked. Once again key points cast to the curb as "errors".

Furthermore.

There are just a few points that completely destroy the validity of this investigation subsequently, at least to the level of intrusiveness it was conducted. But once again you'll hand wave them as routine errors.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf


I don't know how this contradicts anything I posted, particularly the refutations of your conclusions.
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Nov 26 2020 11:06am
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I don't know how this contradicts anything I posted, particularly the refutations of your conclusions.


Those aren't his conclusions. Stop skimming if you are even doing that... Those are conclusions in the report... He's right you are straight up omitting key points.. not only in the sources but in other people's post...

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Nov 26 2020 11:08am
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Those aren't his conclusions. Stop skimming if you are even doing that... Those are conclusions in the report... He's right you are straight up omitting key points.. not only in the sources but in other people's post...


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The FISA review process that took place after Horowitz's report found similar errors in many applications, which tells us there's something systemically wrong with the process.


This is me acknowledging there were errors with the FISAs, and providing some context which shows it probably wasn't some conspiracy to get Trump.
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This is me acknowledging there were errors with the FISAs, and providing some context which shows it probably wasn't some conspiracy to get Trump.


Facts and then the odd need to add your own bit of conjecture. Hahaha

Yea, election fraud in a large scale is impossible to... Why do these exist?

https://gnews.org/589245/

Man... This IS sad
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Nov 26 2020 11:17am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 26 2020 12:04pm)
I don't know how this contradicts anything I posted, particularly the refutations of your conclusions.


The FBI team purposefully omitted facts that would have weakened their case for FISA's and then they purposely failed to due diligence on some of their most central and crucial sources.

An objective investigation would have taken all facts into account and would have done due diligence on Steele instead of gleefully accepting his 'facts' which served as the basis for further intrusion. Even after there were concerns they basically just looked the other way to fit their biased investigation. You don't care that this investigation was based on lies? Lies that the FBI team eventually knew about but failed to pull back their FISA's? To you that's ethical?

For example:

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However, as we describe later, as the FBI
obtained additional information raising significant
questions about the reliability of the Steele election
reporting, the FBI failed to reassess the Steele reporting
relied upon in the FISA applications, and did not fully
advise NSD or or officials. We also found that the FBI
did not aggressively seek to obtain certain potentially
important information from Steele.
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Nov 26 2020 11:20am
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The FBI team purposefully omitted facts that would have weakened their case for FISA's and then they purposely failed to due diligence on some of their most central and crucial sources.

An objective investigation would have taken all facts into account and would have done due diligence on Steele instead of gleefully accepting his 'facts' which served as the basis for further intrusion. Even after there were concerns they basically just looked the other way to fit their biased investigation. You don't care that this investigation was based on lies? Lies that the FBI team eventually knew about but failed to pull back their FISA's? To you that's ethical?

For example:


The quote there says that after the original FISA, the FBI received information that casted doubt on the reliability of some of Steele's information.

How can an investigation that began months earlier because of different information become illegitimate because some of Steele's information was ruled unreliable? You're not making a coherent argument. You haven't rebutted any of my points.
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Nov 26 2020 11:28am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 26 2020 12:20pm)
The quote there says that after the original FISA, the FBI received information that casted doubt on the reliability of some of Steele's information.

How can an investigation that began months earlier because of different information become illegitimate because some of Steele's information was ruled unreliable? You're not making a coherent argument. You haven't rebutted any of my points.


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the FBI failed to reassess the Steele reporting
relied upon in the FISA applications, and did not fully
advise NSD or or officials.



The right thing to do here is to advise the NSD and pull the FISA's instead of hiding or pretending nothings wrong to keep going ahead based on BS evidence. That's troublesome. Not sure how any objective person can know some of these details and deduce that this investigation was objective.

My point is pretty simple to follow. There are threads of bias throughout this investigation and just a few points I'm highlighting show that. These people aren't joe shmoes who didn't know any better, they're high-level bureaucrats.

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Nov 26 2020 11:31am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 26 2020 12:28pm)
The right thing to do here is to advise the NSD and pull the FISA's instead of hiding or pretending nothings wrong to keep going ahead based on BS evidence. That's troublesome. Not sure how any objective person can know some of these details and deduce that this investigation was objective.


The right thing would've been to notify all interested parties about the new information relating to the Page FISA, which was just one portion of the Russia investigation. Maybe the FISA would've been pulled, maybe not. The investigation didn't hinge on the Page FISA.

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Nov 26 2020 11:33am
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My point is pretty simple to follow. There are threads of bias throughout this investigation and just a few points I'm highlighting show that. These people aren't joe shmoes who didn't know any better, they're high-level bureaucrats.


You haven't shown that to be the case, and I've already stated the fact that the FISA review process found similar errors in other FISAs unrelated to Crossfire Hurricane.
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