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Jan 29 2021 07:10pm
If only they could have kept their fucking mutation for themselves
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Jan 29 2021 07:27pm
Quote (dro94 @ 30 Jan 2021 00:55)
It's like you are only willing to accept a literal quote of the EU saying 'we demand the UK vaccine supply', in contrast to political maneuvering to pressure AZ to divert vaccine supply away from the UK

You're just disagreeing with me for the sake of it because you don't have the guts to admit you were wrong

https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1355299075223121928

and the climbdown is complete. so your position is now at odds with the EU that you were defending...


it's the claim YOU made. acting like demanding proof for such an allegation was somehow unreasonable, is silly. and acting like what you provided was proof, just not 'literal' or 'explicit' one is dishonest. the real situation doesn't even remotely fit your accusations.

if you were really so dumb that you couldn't distinguish between insisting on a company fulfilling their contractual obligation, in this case using facilities that the EU invested money in to produce vaccines it ordered, and "demanding UK vaccine supplies", i'd be seriously worried. i have a feeling you can though, and just don't want to admit that you lied in order to make the EU look worse (as if there weren't plenty of legitimate issues to criticise them for).

your idiotic, "daily mail"-worthy, fearmongering, one-sided mischaracterisation of the issue is shameful. it's amazing how american you are in your jingoistic ignorance, lol.

This post was edited by fender on Jan 29 2021 07:34pm
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Jan 29 2021 07:50pm
Quote (dro94 @ Jan 29 2021 05:49pm)
In terms of who is right, I have no reason to doubt the company that is giving out a vaccine at cost. They have no real motive for screwing over the EU and know there is no contractual obligation to give in to the EU's demands


The united states signed agreements stating that sufferers of adverse effects cannot sue pharmaceutical companies. Im not sure if all EU companies did the same.

There was some 2000 vaccine deaths in the UK so far (google has scrubbed this from the internet)
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Jan 29 2021 07:58pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 29 2021 05:50pm)
The united states signed agreements stating that sufferers of adverse effects cannot sue pharmaceutical companies. Im not sure if all EU companies did the same.

There was some 2000 vaccine deaths in the UK so far (google has scrubbed this from the internet)


That doesn't seem believable. Maybe 2k people died after taking the vaccine from other things but it doesn't sound causal.
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Jan 29 2021 08:22pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jan 29 2021 08:58pm)
That doesn't seem believable. Maybe 2k people died after taking the vaccine from other things but it doesn't sound causal.


The vaccine causes a strong flu for two days. For immunologically compromised people and the old, it can push them over the edge. The loss in life years is probably less than 10, but google still scrubbed the results because muh narrative.
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Quote (thundercock @ 30 Jan 2021 02:58)
That doesn't seem believable. Maybe 2k people died after taking the vaccine from other things but it doesn't sound causal.


endlesscry has a long history of confusing the mad ramblings of random q-anon karens on facebook for reliable sources on scientific topics. so yeah, i'd be very surprised if that was even remotely true - it'd be a first.
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Jan 29 2021 08:48pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 30 Jan 2021 03:22)
The vaccine causes a strong flu for two days. For immunologically compromised people and the old, it can push them over the edge. The loss in life years is probably less than 10, but google still scrubbed the results because muh narrative.


There are a lot of people who died 1 day before getting their shot.
Giving an idea how dangerous this shit is...
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Jan 29 2021 09:16pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jan 29 2021 06:22pm)
The vaccine causes a strong flu for two days. For immunologically compromised people and the old, it can push them over the edge. The loss in life years is probably less than 10, but google still scrubbed the results because muh narrative.


It CAN cause flu like symptoms but the amount of people who even experience serious side effects is quite small. Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if 2k people died randomly after having the vaccine but the UK has barely rolled out it's vaccine.
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Jan 29 2021 09:26pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jan 29 2021 10:16pm)
It CAN cause flu like symptoms but the amount of people who even experience serious side effects is quite small. Like I said, it wouldn't surprise me if 2k people died randomly after having the vaccine but the UK has barely rolled out it's vaccine.


Death rates in a hospital were compared to expected rates. Approx 2k higher over about two months. Its a fairly accurate assessment. The vaccine still is arguably still very safe.

However the information censorship is hilarious and should be shat on with the force of a thousand burritos.
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Quote (fender @ Jan 30 2021 01:27am)
it's the claim YOU made. acting like demanding proof for such an allegation was somehow unreasonable, is silly. and acting like what you provided was proof, just not 'literal' or 'explicit' one is dishonest. the real situation doesn't even remotely fit your accusations.

if you were really so dumb that you couldn't distinguish between insisting on a company fulfilling their contractual obligation, in this case using facilities that the EU invested money in to produce vaccines it ordered, and "demanding UK vaccine supplies", i'd be seriously worried. i have a feeling you can though, and just don't want to admit that you lied in order to make the EU look worse (as if there weren't plenty of legitimate issues to criticise them for).

your idiotic, "daily mail"-worthy, fearmongering, one-sided mischaracterisation of the issue is shameful. it's amazing how american you are in your jingoistic ignorance, lol.


Just take this part of the quote: "arguing that AstraZeneca’s position that it would not use production facilities outside the EU to make up the shortfall was “against the letter and the spirit of our agreement”

I wonder which countries outside the EU she must be talking about, immediately after stating the UK's vaccine production facilities have as much of an obligation to facilitating EU supply

This is a new low for you, outright denial because you got owned
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