Quote (JessiWan @ May 6 2022 01:50pm)
IUD can cause cancer though in some rare cases, if it's left in there for too long. My maternal grandmother died of uterine cancer and we suspect it was the IUD that she had. She complained about bleeding. It just doesn't seem appealing to me, placing a foreign object deep into your body.
Better than a fetus though if you ask me.
Quote (fender @ May 6 2022 01:11pm)
"the pregnancy deserves to be protected"? do you mean pregnant women who want to have a baby need to be protected by that? then everyone agrees with you. do you mean pregnant women who don't want to have a baby should be forced to have it? then say so.
i am also in the camp of reducing the need for abortions, ironically it's mostly "pro life" republican lawmakers who oppose those measures, as i am sure you know. what do you mean when you say YOU're "shit out of luck"?
please be specific: are you in favour of the scotus overturning roe v. wade or not? are you in favour of red states introducing draconian laws to punish women seeking abortion - even rape and incest victims - or not? given all the information you have, knowing how it will impact different communities... i'm talking real world, not some imaginary future scenario.
By pregnancy, I mean fetus. As I've said before, I believe that a fetus should be protected under all circumstances. However, that is clearly not a pragmatic stance. I say that I'm "shit out of luck" because America is simply not ready to be a pro-life country. We do not have the necessary infrastructure and MOST people would disagree with my stance! Because I'm in the minority here, I have to defer to the majority even if I dislike it. At the end of the day though, I don't think the issue is particularly important and it has almost no impact on how I vote.
I think it depends on "how" Roe is overturned. Will we get Alito's opinion or will we get Roberts' opinion? I think it's generally agreed upon by legal scholars that Roe is a very flawed ruling and Americans simply like the pragmatic aspect of it. In theory, I think abortion restrictions should be decided at the state level given how controversial it is (don't be surprised if the GOP tries to create a national ban). Where we're going to get in trouble is that trigger laws are going to fuck up A LOT of lives. I don't think the states are ready to take on that burden. Some states (like mine) will be fine and other states such as Utah won't see any change given that they have severe restrictions already and very low abortion rates.
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 6 2022 01:12pm)
What is your philosophical ground for that position?
I think what it really boils down to is that all of us here today were once fetuses. It makes me extremely uncomfortable that any of us could have been terminated because we weren't wanted. Obviously you gain more "value" the more developed you are but you become an "individual" upon conception (yes, there are exceptions such as ectopic pregnancies, horrific genetic defects, etc.) We can go into more depth but I think that's the gist of it.