Quote (fender @ Dec 8 2021 02:00pm)
come to think of, i actually DO agree that democrats bear a good amount of responsibility for keeping abortion a controversial political issue, just probably not the way you originally meant: it's not the "fringe left", which as far as i can tell would be happy to just codify abortion law, making it a constitutional right, and be done with it. however, the aforementioned toothless and mainly rhetorical opposition by the democratic establishment is probably quite happy to keep it a hot button issue for electoral purposes, and has in fact been making more or less empty promises to protect women's rights for ages now, without ever really putting their foot down like republicans do when they are in power. in this case we're not even talking about shitty politics to protect and further the interests of the powerful few, which seems to be the GOP's main concern, but an issue democrats would have a solid popular majority, significantly exceeding their electoral base, in support of.
i still maintain that the silent undermining of roe in red states didn't receive nearly enough attention (maybe partly due to the fact that democrats didn't see electoral promise in properly addressing it) - the main responsibility is always with those attacking rights, not the shitty opposition too incompetent to protect them - and it's most definitely the political and religious right, which is the more active and vocal side, attacking landmark precedent through activist judges, eroding secular and democratic cornerstones.
that's the thing, you can never be a truly principled libertarian, it's a pick and choose "ideology", which quickly contradicts itself when applied to the real world or tasked with establishing a functioning state. it's basically an introductory thought experiment for political edgelords who want to justify their selfishness by giving it some kind of "intellectual" coat of paint. usually, intelligent people grow out of it towards the end of their teens, or whenever they start leading an adult life with all its responsibilities, but some people never grow out of it.
also, to be fair, it makes for some snazzy little quotes - if you don't make the mistake of thinking about them for more than five seconds...
speaking as an american nowhere near the deep south i read headlines for years about state abortion law changes, it was all pretty out there. but i agree democrats kept it alive to get people fired up, likely thinking it would never make it to scotus. when u gamble u risk losing.
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 8 2021 02:15pm)
You guys really should just drop the common label honestly. You guys fight like cats and dogs and can't agree on even the most basic aspects of the ideology. You're more of a "fuck the government" dumping space than an actual party or ideology.
thats rich considering the democrats are a rainbow of ideologies willing to kill each other if it were legal. black and gays, jews and muslims, blacks and asians, blacks and blacks.
This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 8 2021 01:33pm