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Nov 4 2021 10:12am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 4 2021 11:09am)
This is wrong. In America we have an oppositional legal system. It is on both sides to present a case using every trick in the book, and it's generally on the opponent to object.

@ the bold, they tried to get the evidence in, and it was rejected. Seems like the court system worked the way it should have. Glad to see you're still a dishonest hack.


GL convincing a jury your client is a kitten when the media says he's a villain. ur a fool to even try, and the prosecution is foolish to not run with it.

How OJ was painted as a saint i have no clue lol.
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Stumbling upon this thread as an European:

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yeah, 50 million dollars in damages in that riot. All because a dude had multiple warrants for sexual assault and assaulted a woman and tried to kidnap children. The resisted arrest.

idk I dont go burn buildings and destroy citys to defend sexual predators.
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GL convincing a jury your client is a kitten when the media says he's a villain. ur a fool to even try, and the prosecution is foolish to not run with it.
How OJ was painted as a saint i have no clue lol.


Indeed.

If the defense really is messing up this badly (I'm not watching) then Kyle can appeal for a mistrial on the grounds of incompetent defense. He'll get millions on kickstarter or whatever to fund it so I don't feel bad.
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Nov 4 2021 10:19am
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Indeed.

If the defense really is messing up this badly (I'm not watching) then Kyle can appeal for a mistrial on the grounds of incompetent defense. He'll get millions on kickstarter or whatever to fund it so I don't feel bad.


not an easy defense to raise, its like claiming election fraud without solid proof u can't just say it and expect a new trial.
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Nov 4 2021 10:23am
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not an easy defense to raise, its like claiming election fraud without solid proof u can't just say it and expect a new trial.


Yeah, they're going to have to work for it. As they should.

Honestly, I have very little sympathy if he really isn't getting adequate representation. They were flooded with donations. They have the money to hire the best lawyer in the country that will take them. This isn't a poor person getting railroaded by the system.
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Nov 4 2021 10:26am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 4 2021 11:23am)
Yeah, they're going to have to work for it. As they should.

Honestly, I have very little sympathy if he really isn't getting adequate representation. They were flooded with donations. They have the money to hire the best lawyer in the country that will take them. This isn't a poor person getting railroaded by the system.


indeed, why he's got such a bum legal team is beyond me. kid got a golden ticket.
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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Nov 4 2021 11:09am)
This is wrong. In America we have an oppositional legal system. It is on both sides to present a case using every trick in the book, and it's generally on the opponent to object.

@ the bold, they tried to get the evidence in, and it was rejected. Seems like the court system worked the way it should have. Glad to see you're still a dishonest hack.


They sandbagged the defense on the CO evidence. The prosecution has a responsibility to disclose all relevant evidence during discovery, and they didn't. The defense then spent months researching the evidence and had a significant portion of their arguments premised on the unknown CO levels in the blood. Then the prosecution tried to introduce the evidence, and it was denied on the basis of violating discovery. This leads to multiple issues:
1) The very fact they tried to get the evidence in despite it being a clear violation of discovery is misconduct. Prosecutors aren't supposed to be seeing how much cheating they can sneak past a judge, that's the point of what I just said in the last post.
2) The defense was significant disadvantaged in developing their theories of the event because they had incomplete data despite it being available to the prosecution the entire time. They spent months in planning and weren't able to base their defense on a complete set of facts
3) In a case this high profile and with jurors not sequestered, there is a high chance that jurors were exposed to information about the trial during deliberations despite the judge's warnings, in which case they may have learned about the CO theory being wrong.

Again, under the idealized concept of the justice system, defense lawyers should be zealously advocating for their client even if they know they are being misleading or lying or are indeed guilty, while the burden is on the prosecution to produce incontrovertible facts that don't play upon doubts or prejudices.
Instead, we routinely see prosecutors for the state in pretty much every case that goes to trial operate by working as hard as they can to bend the rules, sneak in every illegal tactic and phoney evidence and appeals to bias possible.

To give another example, look how just yesterday the rittenhouse prosecutors attempted to admit a video which had no probative value on facts not already covered in other tapes, solely because the narrator kept referring to rittenhouse and his fellows as a "militia". They even had the video file named "militia" and timestamps on each point they said "militia", in anticipation that the judge would strike it down, as he did, for being obvious hearsay. And then tried to get him to allow it but bleeping the word militia, even though any listener with a brain would obviously know what word was used, to have the exact same effect. And only after the judge first chewed him out in public and then again in chambers they returned with a heavily edited video under another name and removing sections with the word militia entirely.

If prosecutors were only seeking to base their case upon facts and logic, they wouldn't be so obviously trying to break the rules of evidence to bring in something that serves only prejudicial value.
But of course, """liberals""" openly salivate at these kinds of ploys. I bet the ACLU lawyers go and masturbate in a broom closet every time a prosecutor tries to introduce hearsay into a trial as long as its against a cop or white kid
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Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 4 2021 11:27am)
They sandbagged the defense on the CO evidence. The prosecution has a responsibility to disclose all relevant evidence during discovery, and they didn't. The defense then spent months researching the evidence and had a significant portion of their arguments premised on the unknown CO levels in the blood. Then the prosecution tried to introduce the evidence, and it was denied on the basis of violating discovery. This leads to multiple issues:
1) The very fact they tried to get the evidence in despite it being a clear violation of discovery is misconduct. Prosecutors aren't supposed to be seeing how much cheating they can sneak past a judge, that's the point of what I just said in the last post.
2) The defense was significant disadvantaged in developing their theories of the event because they had incomplete data despite it being available to the prosecution the entire time. They spent months in planning and weren't able to base their defense on a complete set of facts
3) In a case this high profile and with jurors not sequestered, there is a high chance that jurors were exposed to information about the trial during deliberations despite the judge's warnings, in which case they may have learned about the CO theory being wrong.

Again, under the idealized concept of the justice system, defense lawyers should be zealously advocating for their client even if they know they are being misleading or lying or are indeed guilty, while the burden is on the prosecution to produce incontrovertible facts that don't play upon doubts or prejudices.
Instead, we routinely see prosecutors for the state in pretty much every case that goes to trial operate by working as hard as they can to bend the rules, sneak in every illegal tactic and phoney evidence and appeals to bias possible.

To give another example, look how just yesterday the rittenhouse prosecutors attempted to admit a video which had no probative value on facts not already covered in other tapes, solely because the narrator kept referring to rittenhouse and his fellows as a "militia". They even had the video file named "militia" and timestamps on each point they said "militia", in anticipation that the judge would strike it down, as he did, for being obvious hearsay. And then tried to get him to allow it but bleeping the word militia, even though any listener with a brain would obviously know what word was used, to have the exact same effect. And only after the judge first chewed him out in public and then again in chambers they returned with a heavily edited video under another name and removing sections with the word militia entirely.

If prosecutors were only seeking to base their case upon facts and logic, they wouldn't be so obviously trying to break the rules of evidence to bring in something that serves only prejudicial value.
But of course, """liberals""" openly salivate at these kinds of ploys. I bet the ACLU lawyers go and masturbate in a broom closet every time a prosecutor tries to introduce hearsay into a trial as long as its against a cop or white kid


why is militia such a problematic point? i honestly dont get that much. we have a constitutional right to form one.
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Nov 4 2021 10:32am
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why is militia such a problematic point? i honestly dont get that much. we have a constitutional right to form one.


Yes why is it unfair to call them what they themselves call the "groups" they belong to.
If not militia what do they identify as in court?
Uniquely dress matching 2nd amendment advocates?

This post was edited by theCrossbones on Nov 4 2021 10:33am
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Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 4 2021 11:30am)
why is militia such a problematic point? i honestly dont get that much. we have a constitutional right to form one.


No, it's only a militia if they're white
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