^^ this

For the few i remember:
US (leaders?) refused the WHO testing kits arguing they could produce better ones, which failed, following this also failed "phase 1" to trace & isolate/quarantine first cases.
They also neglected the epidemic by putting in charge a christian fundamentalist who was unable to properly fix the strong internal rivalries in-between their institution "CDC" FDA" etc and Individuals.

Not a good sign of health for a country in this era.

likely a bunch of eu countries will follow, its going very quick now
like in netherlands a here a week ago: 0 cases
now: 300 cases and 3 deaths
really wondering what it will be in another month, i have no good hopes however

In the end the US will have more cases than China and will continue to spread this throughout the planet.
Continue to thank us as it will spike to 10x what is estimated due to lack of testing. The ban should be on travel OUT of the US.
That might actually do some good I would so love the EU to put a travel ban on the US to watch tRUmp have a mental breakdown.

I don't want to appears racist or anything but i want to write here that even if US is vulnerable due its inequalitarian healthcare access & weakened governement:


We also may have to point out the responsibility of Chinese authorities and even Chinese people themselves because of their disgusting hygiene and food habits.
Too hard? Yes, but it definitely contains a part of the truth. I'm glad they banned exotic animals eating/traffic.

So much stupidity around this, just shows how gullible and easily scared people are. Most people that have died are old people with already weak or compromised immune systems. Even if they caught the normal flu the would be at risk of death because of their underlying conditions. People are acting like this is the bubonic plague.

Between 12,000-30,000 people died of the flu since October in the US. 3500 ish people died of this worldwide in the last two months...

You have to use common sense, the death rate isn't as high as people are thinking it is because so many people aren't actually going to the doctors/hospitals to get treatments, they probably just deal with this virus and it subsides within a few weeks so the survival rate imo is much higher.

Could you be more specific? What claims are you responding to?

It might be 20x as deadly as the flu, and the requirement of hospitalization may be 20x as well. That's a lot of dead bodies and strain on the healthcare system and economy if it infects a significant number of people, which looks to be what will happen. Plus there's no vaccine people can take, and won't be for at least a year.

Also, old people and immune-compromised people matter.

This post was edited by IceMage on Mar 8 2020 12:17pm

i believe it's also ill-founded to compare the fatalities specifically to the flu. the common flu, although not so fatal, has already spread throughout the world.
5-20% of the US population is infected with the flu each year. estimating @ 10% of 330m people, that is still 33m people infected. and 36k deaths on a moderate assumption in the USA.

here's the current numbers.

flu: 36k deaths out of 33m infected(USA stats only) | chance of death if infected = 1/916
COV-2: 3400 deaths out of 100k infected(global stats) | chance of death if infected = 1/29

to note, the USA is better equipped to handle this than many countries, which could help keep the fatalities lower in this country. we do not have a large enough sample-size yet to compare. we don't even really have enough global numbers to compare.
tl;dr there's nothing suggesting this won't be worse than the flu if this spread throughout the planet and came back on a yearly basis. especially as these strains continue to mutate to be able to keep coming back.

10-20 more deadly than flu, permanent lungs damage, and transmissibility which is like what ? Like 3 times bigger, and finally: no vaccin. Guess how much your 12-30k will go for.
Most of adults got FLU at least 1 time in their life and have some immunity.

Flu or C19: both are counted when the person is sick enough to go to see a doctor. If you were doing the reporting/analysis for your job i would just fire you without the 2 weeks.