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What is apologist about being prepared for attacks? I'd be worried if my country didn't prepare for attacks.

I brought the fact he's a Muslim into the debate because there is absolutely nothing wrong with the statement yet many right wingers constantly go after him for it, whereas people like Trump say horrible stuff daily and you don't bat an eyelid. It's dishonest, deceitful and hypocritical.


as would i, but that was not what he said
here it is again

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part and parcel of living in a great global city is you've got to be prepared for these things, you've got to be vigilant, you've got to support the police doing an incredible job, you've got to support the security services


he is talking about the standard citizen, about YOU, to be prepared and watch out for attacks, followed by typical nonsense from politicians
i am pretty sure english citizens are doing their part calling the police and supporting them, when they think its necessary

its a pathetic attempt to "outsource" state duties to citizens
someone should tell sadiq khan, that its HIS job to give the police what they need and stop obvious maldevelopments to make sure that the people in his city DO NOT have to worry about a random backpack at the station and trigger a terror alarm (to name one example)

everything is wrong with this statement, the message he delivers to the people is just horrible
even an idiot like donald has a better understanding in that regard

meanwhile violence in london is out of control, but i guess the people stabbed were not vigilant enough
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as would i, but that was not what he said
here it is again



he is talking about the standard citizen, about YOU, to be prepared and watch out for attacks, followed by typical nonsense from politicians
i am pretty sure english citizens are doing their part calling the police and supporting them, when they think its necessary

its a pathetic attempt to "outsource" state duties to citizens
someone should tell sadiq khan, that its HIS job to give the police what they need and stop obvious maldevelopments to make sure that the people in his city DO NOT have to worry about a random backpack at the station and trigger a terror alarm (to name one example)

everything is wrong with this statement, the message he delivers to the people is just horrible
even an idiot like donald has a better understanding in that regard

meanwhile violence in london is out of control, but i guess the people stabbed were not vigilant enough


The context of the video flies in the face of everything you're posting. As a native English speaker let me assure you that the word 'you' can be used to describe the collective.

Q1 murders in NY > London by 20%
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while in the english speaking parts of this forum he still pretends it's 'just a joke' and that his guild 'already had that name and there is no way to change that', he isn't that shy in the german subforum, which is full of xenophobes, islamophobes, and bigots of all sorts. for example, suggesting a 'zyklon b treatment' (google it if you don't know what that means) for a politician he disagrees with...

i guess his support for a party with strong ties to known neo-nazis, and severe racist and also anti-semitic sentiments speaks for itself. but hey, it's 'just a prank, bro'...
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so a german court correctly identified the 'rebellion' charges against puigdemont as overblown and politically motivated. it's great to see that our justice system didn't take the easy way out by just caving in to spanish pressure, but rather did its job by identifying what the fine 'democrats' in madrid are trying to do here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/05/world/europe/puigdemont-extradite-germany-spain.html


meanwhile in spain, a former catalonian police chief is being charged with 'sedition' for taking a passive stance during the referendum, while on the other hand still not a single police officer has been charged for the violent actions taken against civilians. priorities i guess... ah, who am i kidding, there will be no charges for that, we all know it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43653798


also interesting: a popular spanish radio host who apparently disagrees with the german court's decision called for terrorist 'actions' against germany, talking about blowing up breweries in bavaria, and 200,000 german 'hostages' (tourists). he also claimed the decision was 'racist' against spain.
obviously that guy is not a politician and mentally challenged, but it illustrates the arrogance and radicalism of the anti-separatist camp (just in case the authoritarian crackdown, violence against peaceful civilians, and political arrests weren't proof enough). can you imagine all the 'law and order' proponents if a muslim had made such threats? heads would have exploded and calls for death penalty for sure...

https://www.huffingtonpost.es/2018/04/06/federico-jimenez-losantos-un-juez-aleman-se-orino-en-la-pechera-de-llarena_a_23404938/
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so a german court correctly identified the 'rebellion' charges against puigdemont as overblown and politically motivated. it's great to see that our justice system didn't take the easy way out by just caving in to spanish pressure, but rather did its job by identifying what the fine 'democrats' in madrid are trying to do here.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/05/world/europe/puigdemont-extradite-germany-spain.html


meanwhile in spain, a former catalonian police chief is being charged with 'sedition' for taking a passive stance during the referendum, while on the other hand still not a single police officer has been charged for the violent actions taken against civilians. priorities i guess... ah, who am i kidding, there will be no charges for that, we all know it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-43653798


also interesting: a popular spanish radio host who apparently disagrees with the german court's decision called for terrorist 'actions' against germany, talking about blowing up breweries in bavaria, and 200,000 german 'hostages' (tourists). he also claimed the decision was 'racist' against spain.
obviously that guy is not a politician and mentally challenged, but it illustrates the arrogance and radicalism of the anti-separatist camp (just in case the authoritarian crackdown, violence against peaceful civilians, and political arrests weren't proof enough). can you imagine all the 'law and order' proponents if a muslim had made such threats? heads would have exploded and calls for death penalty for sure...

https://www.huffingtonpost.es/2018/04/06/federico-jimenez-losantos-un-juez-aleman-se-orino-en-la-pechera-de-llarena_a_23404938/


Federico Jiménez Losantos :rofl:

Don't worry about him, he hates Rajoy's government more than he hates separatists (for instance, in the article you linked he says that the national government is "human garbage" and "a literal shit", and that's pretty soft compared to other stuff he has said in other occasions). That guy is a far-far-far right wing nutjob that gets paid to spread bizarre conspiracy theories and insult everyone that doesn't follow his anti-EU, highly nationalist, monarchist and libertarian agenda. People who listen to him are mostly people with a questionable sense of humour, that do so for the lols... and also some crazy conspiracy theorists. He has been prosecuted several times for saying/writing the things he says/writes, often losing his trials and having to pay fines and compensation. The guy is an absolute clown and disgrace, even though I think he doesn't actually believe 90% of what he says and just does it to put on a show, I'm surprised his bullshit reached Germany :LOL:

Regarding the rebellion case, it will be interesting to see what happens now. Spain can retract the arrest order or change rebellion for sedition (he's accused of both, but rebellion overrides it). The problem with rebellion is that it requires violence, which according to the spanish judges the violence was caused by Puigdemont's actions (therefore he'd be responsible) while for the german one he can't be held accountable, but if you change it to sedition then the problem is solved. However, if he's brought back here on charges of embezzlement and sedition, and not rebellion, it would be unfair to trial the other accused on charges of rebellion... so there are people saying it would be better to retract the arrest order, judge everyone on charges of rebellion, so that if Puigdemont ever comes to Spain for whatever reason he can be arrested and trialed for rebellion too.

This post was edited by zarkadon on Apr 6 2018 04:54pm
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god, fenderp and sauci, thats a great antifa duo right there
but hey, i am happy he is stalking me while having no idea that the "zyklon b treatment" part is a common running joke there for about anything

if he actually paid attention he would know that only reported facts from credible sources are being discussed in a more or less serious manner by a handful of people, the rest a multis

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Federico Jiménez Losantos :rofl:

Don't worry about him, he hates Rajoy's government more than he hates separatists (for instance, in the article you linked he says that the national government is "human garbage" and "a literal shit", and that's pretty soft compared to other stuff he has said in other occasions). That guy is a far-far-far right wing nutjob that gets paid to spread bizarre conspiracy theories and insult everyone that doesn't follow his anti-EU, highly nationalist, monarchist and libertarian agenda. People who listen to him are mostly people with a questionable sense of humour, that do so for the lols... and also some crazy conspiracy theorists. He has been prosecuted several times for saying/writing the things he says/writes, often losing his trials and having to pay fines and compensation. The guy is an absolute clown and disgrace, even though I think he doesn't actually believe 90% of what he says and just does it to put on a show, I'm surprised his bullshit reached Germany :LOL:

Regarding the rebellion case, it will be interesting to see what happens now. Spain can retract the arrest order or change rebellion for sedition (he's accused of both, but rebellion overrides it). The problem with rebellion is that it requires violence, which according to the spanish judges the violence was caused by Puigdemont's actions (therefore he'd be responsible) while for the german one he can't be held accountable, but if you change it to sedition then the problem is solved. However, if he's brought back here on charges of embezzlement and sedition, and not rebellion, it would be unfair to trial the other accused on charges of rebellion... so there are people saying it would be better to retract the arrest order, judge everyone on charges of rebellion, so that if Puigdemont ever comes to Spain for whatever reason he can be arrested and trialed for rebellion too.


for me it has come down to playing with words here, german law has plenty of other laws that could come into play
"endangerment of the constitutional state" with a lot paragraphs about sabotaging the state, spreading unconstitutional propaganda, even separatism is included there
also we have "unconstitutional influencing" of state institutions and puigdemont has clearly incited institutions to violate the spanish constitution

german source: http://stgb-online.de/verrat.html

its almost frightening how many people here have a soft spot in their hearts for criminals, not to mention people like fenderp who constantly try to discredit a democratic state like spain
as a german i am just sorry for the lack of respect and cooperation with a state that is supposed to be a close ally and friend

all EU members have the highest standards of democracy and human rights, the goal is to unify europe, but its not possible to send a guy back to his country for a fair trial?

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already inb4'd the flimsy 'b-b-but it's just a joke' excuse. if there's one thing even worse than a bigoted nazi-sympathiser, it's a bigoted nazi-sympathiser who doesn't even have the balls to stand by their (disgusting) words when called out (and not backed up by an overwhelming force of fellow bigots), claiming they didn't actually mean it...

that being said, hardly a surprise to see the alleged 'rule of law' proponent mourn a court's decision just because the party defied is a close ally - as if that makes them right by default and a ruling against them a "lack of respect" rather than an objective finding (i bet even zark doesn't see it that way). that's a truly disturbing understanding of law in general, where 'respect' and 'relation' trump principle and objectivity...

Quote (zarkadon @ 6 Apr 2018 23:30)
Federico Jiménez Losantos :rofl:

Don't worry about him, he hates Rajoy's government more than he hates separatists (for instance, in the article you linked he says that the national government is "human garbage" and "a literal shit", and that's pretty soft compared to other stuff he has said in other occasions). That guy is a far-far-far right wing nutjob that gets paid to spread bizarre conspiracy theories and insult everyone that doesn't follow his anti-EU, highly nationalist, monarchist and libertarian agenda. People who listen to him are mostly people with a questionable sense of humour, that do so for the lols... and also some crazy conspiracy theorists. He has been prosecuted several times for saying/writing the things he says/writes, often losing his trials and having to pay fines and compensation. The guy is an absolute clown and disgrace, even though I think he doesn't actually believe 90% of what he says and just does it to put on a show, I'm surprised his bullshit reached Germany :LOL:

Regarding the rebellion case, it will be interesting to see what happens now. Spain can retract the arrest order or change rebellion for sedition (he's accused of both, but rebellion overrides it). The problem with rebellion is that it requires violence, which according to the spanish judges the violence was caused by Puigdemont's actions (therefore he'd be responsible) while for the german one he can't be held accountable, but if you change it to sedition then the problem is solved. However, if he's brought back here on charges of embezzlement and sedition, and not rebellion, it would be unfair to trial the other accused on charges of rebellion... so there are people saying it would be better to retract the arrest order, judge everyone on charges of rebellion, so that if Puigdemont ever comes to Spain for whatever reason he can be arrested and trialed for rebellion too


personally i'm not 'worried' about him or his threats. like i stated before, he's OBVIOUSLY not right in the head. i'm just saying it shows the massive bias and emotional involvement that, although of course not as radical as in this particular nutjob, a lot of anti-separatists seem to have, resulting in apologetic rhetoric concerning textbook authoritarian measures and a categoric refusal to accept ANY kind of blame on "their" side.
it's also fascinating because we all know that if a deranged muslim fanatic made such comments (and i think the reason this actually reached germany is because he not just ranted and said what he personally liked to do, but called for action - and broke a taboo of most civilised cultures with his comments about guests as potential hostages) this surely would have been treated differently - and pointing out his attention-seeking and questionable mental health would have been dismissed as cheap excuses or even sympathising with terrorists. not by you, don't get me wrong, but there are plenty of 'special' people here doing that regularly...

concerning the 'dilemma' spanish justice finds itself in regarding puigdemont, this just shows how desperately they are trying to make these political arrests SEEM legitimate, while at the same time trying to punish catalonian political leaders as harshly as possible.
to the vast majority of people outside of spain it's pretty obvious that the rebellion charges are objectively bogus, the real violence was ordered and executed by madrid - but i don't expect that to prevent your courts from finding them guilty anyway. who knows, maybe your courts are truly independent (in germany for example, the highest instances regularly defy the government and make insanely principled decisions) and will give them a fair trial, but i'm not too optimistic...

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if there's one thing even worse than a bigoted nazi-sympathiser, it's a bigoted nazi-sympathiser who doesn't even have the balls to stand by their (disgusting) words when called out and not backed up by an overwhelming force of fellow bigots...


oh the irony of being called a bigot by antifa without any real argument or proof
also feel free to provide an actual argument about how i am a nazi-sympathiser for voting for a legal and democratic party

just cant deal with it

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as if that makes them right by default and a ruling against them a "lack of respect" rather than an objective finding


http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=77347766&f=119&p=529842452

its that moment when someone doesnt even read.....i never claimed that they are wrong, i clearly stated otherwise
in what world does that automatically mean i have to approve personally?

oh man.....this is so stupid i dont even know what to say
i have never seen anyone who makes up shit people have never said to attack them for it

madness

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Apr 6 2018 06:49pm
'i never said they were wrong, i just said it's sad that 'respect' does not outweigh objectiveness, that we don't support political arrests committed by our allies.' yes, that's much better...

also, the good old 'just voting for a legal party - so how can i be a nazi-sympathiser?' argument is as dodgy as it gets. despite the misinformation and misrepresentation by some ignorant people in this forum it's NOT illegal to be a bigot, a racist, and an anti-semite in germany. and the AfD has a particularly rich history in that, despite its relatively short existence. i can deal with that, to each their own, the only people who can't 'deal with it' are those that don't even have the balls to admit it, hiding behind flimsy 'arguments' like 'how can it be racist if it's legal?'...

https://www.politico.eu/article/afd-germany-mp-accused-of-making-anti-semitic-racist-videos/
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36722818
http://www.dw.com/en/many-in-afd-have-an-anti-semitic-view-of-the-world/a-19386768
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37274201
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/revealed-the-right-wing-alternative-for-germany-afd-neo-nazi-manifesto-targeting-single-mothers-and-a6939941.html


just a few results in english, obviously there are plenty more in german concerning the ties to NPD and the identitarian movement... putting on a show for people who are not familiar with german politics is one thing, but the reality of AfD's neo-nazi relations / rhetoric / sympathies / similarities can't be hidden...
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