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Oct 30 2012 01:34pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Oct 30 2012 07:33pm)
lol, such horseshit.  Everything that is alive and not conscious shares the quality of being like your legs because your legs are alive and not conscious.  I seriously haven't read such bad logic since the last quote.


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Oct 30 2012 01:36pm
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That's true, they're not connected to plants.



Totally not connected to plants. :( Poor guy.

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That's true, they're not connected to plants. 

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/turing/johnnygun.jpg

Totally not connected to plants.  :(  Poor guy.

Landmine has taken my sight, taken my speech, taken my hearing, taken my arms, taken my legs, taken my soul, left me with life in hell.


Johnny Got His Gun

haven't seen a pic from that movie in ages

Metallica really did amazing on that album
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Oct 30 2012 04:11pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Oct 30 2012 03:36pm)
That's true, they're not connected to plants. 

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y73/turing/johnnygun.jpg

Totally not connected to plants.  :(  Poor guy.

Landmine has taken my sight, taken my speech, taken my hearing, taken my arms, taken my legs, taken my soul, left me with life in hell.


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The truth is, at the time Jesus lived, if someone caused the Jewish elite and Romans trouble, they executed them. Jesus threatened the Jewish and Roman status quo. He was a blasphemer to the Jewish rulers and a troublemaker to the Romans, so they executed him using the standard method of the day.

All great truths begin as blasphemies. George Bernard Shaw

Crucifixion was no big deal in those brutal times. They crucified people just for preaching without a license. Jesus died just like any other common criminal or troublemaker. There were a lot of self proclaimed saviors around back then.

Jesus was a man: People want to believe Jesus was physically more than just a normal man, which he was not. He was no different than other men physically; he was just more inspired, more connected to the universal mind (Holy Spirit) than other people were. He gave birth to himself spiritually. Like other prophets, he channeled things from beyond the mind. It is not the prophet that is important; it is what passed through the prophet that is important. As Jesus said himself:

Jesus said, “It is the spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no profit. The words that I have spoken to you are what is important, because they come from spirit and life.”

In other words, it is ok to say he is nothing special, because he knew it is what passed through him that mattered. What came from the Holy Spirit matters.

Jesus said, “Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of man or God will be forgiven. But if a person blasphemes the Holy Spirit, they will not be forgiven.”

In other words, you do not have to think much of the prophet that the message passes through, but you have to respect the message, or you will not get it.

Graven image: Most people only picture Jesus looking up to the heavens in some sort of spiritual pose. To see Jesus for what he really was, you just have to picture him doing things that all other men do everyday in their life, and you will realize he was a human being just like us. He ate food and relieved himself like other men, so try picturing him squatting behind a bush when you start to think he was not human. He had to do it just like any other human, and they did not have toilets when he lived. It is irreverent, but reverence does not set you free.

People are worshipping the messenger and missing the message.

People act like it is the messenger that matters and not the message, even when the messenger says it is the message that matters. In ancient times, if people did not like a message that a messenger brought, they would kill the messenger. If they liked the message, they made the messenger a big hero. It is nonsense.

I am not saying Jesus was not divine; he was. I am saying we all can be.

I am not saying anything; it is Jesus and the Bible that says it. I am just pointing this fact out to people that say they believe in the Bible, but must not have really read it. Jesus said that it is the truth that sets you free. That is the truth. The truth is not always what people want to hear, but it is what sets you free.

Metaphorically, it is all true.

Virgin birth
: You give birth to yourself when you're born again, so it's a virgin birth.

The resurrection is true in the sense that Jesus did rise from the dead. He just did it long before he was physically killed. At some point in his early life, he stopped living as a spiritually dead person. He learned the truth and became an immortal spiritual being. Thus, he did rise from the dead. When you learn the truth, you do the same thing; you rise from the dead.

Jesus said, "The way of mortals is a living death.”
 
The empty tomb:
The story about the empty tomb is also metaphorically true. All graves are empty; there is a body, but the conscious spirit is gone.


From page 208 of The Present (with religion) at http://www.truthcontest.com/
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The Bible says the path to destruction is wide, and narrow is the gate that leads to life. Why doesn’t it say leads to heaven or God? It says “life.”

Jesus said, “Whoever finds the correct interpretation of what I am saying will find eternal life.” The Bible plainly says in many places that life is the goal.

Jesus said, "I have come so that you might have life, for the way of mortals is a living death.”
Life is what happens to you while you’re making other plans.
John Lennon

Life goals
: Naturally, you have other goals besides finding the truth and the life, but you will have a much better chance of attaining them if your primary goal is the present. As Jesus says, find the kingdom first, and everything else will follow.

The present is the only thing that really exists; how can it not be the goal?
The mind and society that is dominated by the mind is goal oriented, and that is a good thing to a point. You need to have goals and plans, but you do not have to think about them all the time as people do now.

You just set them as a guideline for your life and then live in the present as you work towards them. Your ultimate goal is always the present. The future is not as important as the present, simply because it does not really exist. Keep your eye on the prize, true life. People now have their priorities backwards.

Jesus said that you must be born again to see heaven.
Jesus said that you must be born of spirit to get to heaven.

True love:
When you succeed in opening up the present completely for the first time, you kind of feel like you did when you fell in love for the first time. You begin to notice all the little things, the birds singing etc. You like it a lot; you feel like you are reborn, because you are reborn to true life.

The Bible says, “God is love.”

You are falling in love with life itself. Life will never leave you or stop giving itself to you completely. You just have to let it in and love it back. To know God is to love God. God is love, as the Bible says.

It is a love affair between you and the truth and the life. It is true love; a love that will last forever, a love that is always new, a love that never dies.

When you see true life, all you feel is awe and wonder; it is sublime.

Commitment
: If you commit yourself to this love affair, you will become completely fulfilled. It demands your total commitment, but that is not asking much when you get back literally everything.

Everything: When you commit to the truth and life, you are actually committing yourself to everything in life. Every part of your new life, from your job to your family, will benefit from it.


From page 48 of The Present (with religion) at http://www.truthcontest.com/
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Jesus said, “Whoever finds the correct interpretation of what I am saying will find eternal life.” The Bible plainly says in many places that life is the goal.

Jesus said, "I have come so that you might have life, for the way of mortals is a living death.”



My interpretation: as mortals we are living death who need to realize that death isn't the end, but the goal.
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Nov 1 2012 11:06am
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My interpretation: as mortals we are living death who need to realize that death isn't the end, but the goal.


I would say we just have to reborn and live life.
Life is the goal... death is part of life and will happen to us for sure, but it is not the end of spiritual life, just part of the cycle.
It is like seasons : winter is not the end.

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I would say we just have to reborn and live life.
Life is the goal... death is part of life and will happen to us for sure, but it is not the end of spiritual life, just part of the cycle.
It is like seasons : winter is not the end.


I agree. What I ment was if we are living in an illusion with an end, we aren't living, because we are always dying. "The way of the mortal is a living death"

or "the way" is the path that the mortal takes. Which is how I saw it as a goal.
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My interpretation: as mortals we are living death who need to realize that death isn't the end, but the goal.


If death is your goal, I know of a few ways to achieve your goal quickly and efficiently.
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