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Aug 23 2012 08:14pm
Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Aug 23 2012 08:59pm)
I DO know God.  I have a Personal relationship with Him via Jesus Christ.  I feel His love for me.  His Spirit lives in me.  He has spoken to me and performed literal Miracles in my family that I have witnessed.  The Lord is the true God.  That's why I speak with the confidence that you see, because I TRULY know God.  You can know Him to. 








I did answer your question, it's just that you don't like the answer so you are going to assert that I didn't.  It's not contradictory.  YET you are afraid of the TRUTH that mohammad wasn't born until 500 years after the events, was not an eyewitness, contradicts the actual eyewitnesses who were actually there AND the secular historians who were alive in Jesus's day and most of which were hostile toward Christianity.  You avoid these facts because they scare you and they should.  islam is false, I'm sorry to say.  We are NOT under the law, we are under Grace.  That what God used the Apostle Paul to bring to the Gentile world.  That probably who that verse you quoted is referring to.  The Jews are God's chosen people, NOT the arabs.  Jerusalem belongs to the Jews, not the arabs or muslims or even Christians.  The words of the Bible were given by inspiration of God, the quran was given by inspiration of satan.  That's why it directly contradicts God's word.  That's why the one who betrayed Jesus in the Bible is made the hero in the quran.  That's why the anti Christ of the Bible is the messiah according to islam.  That's why the muslims hate the jews.  That's why they think that israel belongs to them and Jerusalem. 

So then, you won't explain to me why you believe these things contrary to the eyewitnesses?  I thought so.  I will answer for you:  It's because you believe a lie.

So now your religion commands you to kill me because you can't convert me.  Disobey the quran and do the right thing.


You are truly childish.

I don't even know what to say...

You still haven't answered my questions and yet you are pulling facts from out of nowhere. I have to kill you because you are a non-believer? Give me a quote for that. Oh wait you did already and I proved to you I can't kill you unless you try to kill me first. Mohammad did not need to be an eyewitness the words were given to him.

"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him". Deuteronomy 18.18

Explain this verse. Please. You are always dodging it.

The quran was an inspiration of satan? That's why it calls Jesus the messiah. You make absolutely no sense. If it was written by Satan. Why in the world would it tell you to believe in God and not in Satan. I mean it says that in the quran to not get close to satan over and over and over and over again. And that believe and worhsip the one and only god over and over and over again.

You know nothing my friend. You are living a life of falsehood. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are pulling facts out of nowhere and are refusing to accept facts. Sorry I'm done here. You are completely ignorant over all things. You still have no answered my question and my question I gave actually answers your question. I don't even know what else to say. You are a child.
I can't answer half your questions because the question itself is wrong.

My religion does not command me to kill you. How do I explain this to you. You haven't read the quran so you are pulling facts out of no where. Stop it. You don't know nothing.

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You are truly childish.

I don't even know what to say...

You still haven't answered my questions and yet you are pulling facts from out of nowhere. I have  to kill you because you are a non-believer? Give me a quote for that. Oh wait you did already and I proved to you I can't kill you unless you try to kill me first. Mohammad did not need to be an eyewitness the words were given to him.

"I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him". Deuteronomy 18.18

Explain this verse. Please. You are always dodging it.

The quran was an inspiration of satan? That's why it calls Jesus the messiah. You make absolutely no sense. If it was written by Satan. Why in the world would it tell you to believe in God and not in Satan. I mean it says that in the quran to not get close to satan over and over and over and over again. And that  believe and worhsip the one and only god over and over and over again.

You know nothing my friend. You are living a life of falsehood. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are pulling facts out of nowhere and are refusing to accept facts. Sorry I'm done here. You are completely ignorant over all things. You still have no answered my question and my question I gave actually answers your question. I don't even know what else to say. You are a child.
I can't answer half your questions because the question itself is wrong.

My religion does not command me to kill you. How do I explain this to you. You haven't read the quran so you are pulling facts out of no where. Stop it. You don't know nothing.


Yes the quran is from satan because it contradicts God's true word, the Bible. satan contradicted God in the garden of eden with eve. God said "Thou shalt surely die" satan said "thou shalt not surely die"

The Bible says that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and that in order to be saved from our sins, we MUST place our faith in His Sacrifice on the cross and His blood that was shed to pay for our sins.

The quran says that Jesus didn't die on the cross and that the one who betrayed Jesus, Judas died on the cross. This is a lie from satan. It corrupts the way of salvation and leads people to hell.

islam raises up the biblical anti christ to be the messiah. The 12th immam or the mahdi is the Biblical Anti Christ. He murders Christians, which muslims think is a good thing. He requires a mark, which is the mark of the beast and satanic, but the muslims believe that it means that you are one of God's people if you take it. He cuts off the head of those who don't believe his lies. I believe that the AntiChrist is going to be a muslim.

I already gave you quotes from your quran about why you are commanded to kill me. Do you even read anything that I post or are you just wanting me to read your stuff? You won't answer my questions. You are ignorant if you believe islam. The quran denies the Biblical way of salvation, which is believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead for our sins. Do you know why Jesus had to die on the cross and rise from the dead? Because it is a Sacrifice. Before Christ, they used to sacrifice animals to God and the blood covered their sins. Since Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God came, He is the Perfect sacrifice, which pays for all sins for all time. We place our faith in His sacrifice to cleans us of our sins so that we don't go to hell. Islam denies this because it's of satan. I have answered your questions over and over. you have not answered mine. It's like with the Jews how Palestine will attack them, then when the Jews retaliate, they accuse them of starting the attacks. That's satanic, but that's the way of islam. Answer my question. How can you believe in the one who contradicts all of the eyewitnesses and wasn't born until 500 years later? He wasn't there. He is wrong. He's a liar. Common sense.

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Yes the quran is from satan because it contradicts God's true word, the Bible.  satan contradicted God in the garden of eden with eve.  God said "Thou shalt surely die"  satan said "thou shalt not surely die"

The Bible says that Jesus died on the cross for our sins and that in order to be saved from our sins, we MUST place our faith in His Sacrifice on the cross and His blood that was shed to pay for our sins.

The quran says that Jesus didn't die on the cross and that the one who betrayed Jesus, Judas died on the cross.  This is a lie from satan. It corrupts the way of salvation and leads people to hell. 

I already gave you quotes from your quran about why you are commanded to kill me.  Do you even read anything that I post or are you just wanting me to read your stuff?  You won't answer my questions.  You are ignorant if you believe islam.  The quran denies the Biblical way of salvation, which is believing that Jesus Christ died on the cross and rose from the dead for our sins.  Do you know why Jesus had to die on the cross and rise from the dead?  Because it is a Sacrifice.  Before Christ, they used to sacrifice animals to God and the blood covered their sins.  Since Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God came, He is the Perfect sacrifice, which pays for all sins for all time.  We place our faith in His sacrifice to cleans us of our sins so that we don't go to hell.  Islam denies this because it's of satan.  I have answered your questions over and over.  you have not answered mine.  It's like with the Jews how Palestine will attack them, then when the Jews retaliate, they accuse them of starting the attacks.  That's satanic, but that's the way of islam.  Answer my question.  How can you believe in the one who contradicts all of the eyewitnesses and wasn't born until 500 years later?  He wasn't there.  He is wrong.  He's a liar.  Common sense.



I'm sorry what? God died on the cross?

You don't know what you are talking about. I proved to you that those quotes you gave me. Say only fight if someone fights you. I guess you are blind as well.
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I'm sorry what? God died on the cross?

You don't know what you are talking about. I proved to you that those quotes you gave me. Say only fight if someone fights you. I guess you are blind as well.


Yes, Jesus died on the cross. He allowed His physical body to die on the cross to pay for our sins:


Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. {fashion: or habit}

You don't know what YOU are talking about.

Can't you see how that the quran was specifically written to decieve people away from the truth? How it directly contradicts God's word, the Bible? It's intentional.

I tell you these things plainly and I don't sugar coat it for 2 reasons. One is that most people are afraid of muslims because islam is so violent, they are afraid to tell them the truth about their religion. Secondly, so that the on lookers won't be fooled by islam and led astray. My spiritual gift is evangelism. My job is to preach the gospel to the masses. May the Lord open your eyes to the truth about islam and about the truth of God's word the Bible.

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Jesus said:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus said:

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus said:

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Jesus said:

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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Jesus said:

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus said:

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus said:

1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

Jesus said:

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.



The word begotten. Was taking out. By 32 christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 co-operations.

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=1020

You can find this anywhere.

It was called a fabrication.

See this is what you christians do. Change the bible around and still continue to believe in it.

Can't you see the quran was a book to truly belive in god. Not the bible which MAN had changed THOUSANDS of times. The bible is not the true word of god. It is the word of humans.
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I dont want to get into heaven. thanks tho.

Im gonna chill out in limbo with my thoughts for a few billions years that have no real meaning since time is a man made thing.
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The word begotten. Was taking out. By 32 christian scholars of the highest eminence backed by 50 co-operations.

http://www.ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=1020

You can find this anywhere.

It was called a fabrication.

See this is what you christians do. Change the bible around and still continue to believe in it.

Can't you see the quran was a book to truly belive in god. Not the bible which MAN  had changed THOUSANDS of times. The bible is not the true word of god. It is the word of humans.


No, what you muslims do is try to make the bible fit your false religion that was founded by the fraud mohammad who was not an eyewitness to the events and his false writings directly contradict the eyewitness accounts written by those who were actually there. The Bible has NOT been changed, the Dead Sea Scrolls Prove this FACT. So you really have been proven wrong, yet you hold on to the lie of mohammad and the quran. Can't you see how that the quran was specifically written to decieve people away from the truth? How it directly contradicts God's word, the Bible? It's intentional

Jesus Christ IS God

Jesus’s name “Immanuel” LITERALLY means “God with us”

Mt 1:23 "Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."

Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

He always existed (from everlasting):

Mic 5:2 (NKJV) "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, [Though] you are little among the thousands of Judah, [Yet] out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth [are] from of old, From everlasting."

He is Equal with God (Because He is God):

Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

This prophecy is of Christ's first comming. His Goings forth have been from everlasting because Christ Jesus is God.

In Him dwells All of Fullness of the Godhead Bodily:

Col 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;

Jesus Christ is one with the Father.

Joh 14:8 Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. "Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are one God:

1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

Jesus declares Himself to be the great I AM of the Old Testiment. I AM is God's Name

Joh 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."

I am IS God. There is only one God. That God has three parts.

Ex 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

All of the Fullness of the Godhead dwells in Christ’s Body.

Col 2:8 Beware lest anyone rob you through philosophy and vain deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the elements of the world, and not according to Christ.
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. And you are complete in Him, who is the Head of all principality and power,

All Things Were Created By Jesus Christ and are Held Together by Him.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And He is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


His Disciple/Apostle Peter Admits that Jesus knows “All things” (Only God knows all things)

Joh 21:17 He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep.

God's plurality is found in Genesis

Ge 1:26 ¶ Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."

His Disciple/Apostle Thomas Confessed Him to be God and Jesus did NOT rebuke Him for it:

Joh 20:27 Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing."And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

This verse demonstrates how God has multiple aspects. He said Let “US” make man in “OUR” image. He didn’t say, let me make man in My image, He said let US make man is OUR image.

His Apostle/Disciple John declares Christ Jesus to be God:

Joh 1:1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

His Apostle/Disciple John declares that the world was made by Him (Jesus Christ)

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

All things were made by Him and He was in the beginning with God (Father)

Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

There are MANY places where He is worshipped and Jesus NEVER tells them not to worship Him, NOT once. Only God is to be worshipped, because Jesus IS God, Jesus IS worshipped:

Mt 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. {presented: or, offered}
Mt 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.
Mt 9:18 ¶ While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.
Mt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Mt 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mt 18:26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. {worshipped him: or, besought him}
Mt 28:9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
Mt 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
Mr 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Mr 15:19 And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.
Lu 24:52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:
Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Ac 10:25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
Re 5:14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Scripture refers to Him as the Lord, Jesus Christ. The phrase "The Lord" is unique only to God:

Here are a few mentioning "The Lord Your God"

De 5:6 ¶ I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. {bondage: Heb. servants}

De 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

De 5:11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

De 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

Here are many calling Him Jesus Christ, The Lord.

Ac 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?

Ac 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

Ac 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Ac 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Ro 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ro 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Ro 15:30 ¶ Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit, that ye strive together with me in your prayers to God for me;

1Co 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Co 16:22 If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha.

2Co 1:2 Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. <<The second [epistle to the Corinthians was written from Philippi, a city of Macedonia, by Titus and Lucas.]>>

Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Eph 6:23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 1:2 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Php 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: {conversation...: or, we live or conduct ourselves as citizens of heaven, or, for obtaining heaven}

Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

1Th 1:1 ¶ Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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I dont want to get into heaven. thanks tho.

Im gonna chill out in limbo with my thoughts for a few billions years that have no real meaning since time is a man made thing.


Unfortunately, it will be eternity and it will be so horrifically painful that you will not be afforded the luxery of thinking about anything other than the misery that you are in. Accept Jesus Christ. You will never regret it.
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Unfortunately, it will be eternity and it will be so horrifically painful that you will not be afforded the luxery of thinking about anything other than the misery that you are in.  Accept Jesus Christ.  You will never regret it.


I love how sure you are about your faith. have a nice life.
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