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So the staff doesn't follow the rules.

Got it.


The staff interprets the rules. you interpreted it one way, they told you that you are in fact wrong.
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The staff interprets the rules. you interpreted it one way, they told you that you are in fact wrong.


Sorry but the rules say otherwise.
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Sorry but the rules say otherwise.


This is a real dumb hill to die on. I'm autistic AF and even I understand Rules are never as simple as what's written on the page. You just be the legendary turbo autist
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Leader of the lefties huh?
Most of us do not even keep up with her awesome shenanagins, she is just some kid who does funny shit some time and makes you guys mad as hell.
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Leader of the lefties huh?
Most of us do not even keep up with her awesome shenanagins, she is just some kid who does funny shit some time and makes you guys mad as hell.





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Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 10 2023 04:07pm)
That falls apart because 1) that's a common element with the Hillary Clinton case, because she destroyed evidence to try to 'obstruct justice' and 2) The prosecutors are not specifically charging only in the case of the documents they could not find nor just the cases of Trump on tape talking about them being secret, they're charging for all the documents, the rest without such elements. And that would hold Biden and Pence being guilty, since the charge doesn't require obstruction, rather the strict liability of possessing classified materials without authorization. They retrieved documents from Biden's house after he said there were none, just the same.

We don't know how many people Donald Trump had murdered and how many bodies he made disappear and covered up without a trace, either. When you charge a crime with no evidence of harm, you can't allege unknown harms from it. That's just baseless speculation.

Showing classified documents to randos without authorization doesn't seem as harmful as showing classified documents to hostile Chinese hackers who got in your email server.
But Trump already possessed the knowledge of those documents and was free to tell people exactly what was on them, and while president he had total plenary authority to declassify them and show anyone he wanted. How those powers transfer between presidents is not all a clear matter of law, never tested in courts, and can't clearly adhere to some absolutist interpretion that the successor decides everything, else we'd need each president to line-item approve/disapprove his predecessor's records as they're taken out.


Quote (IceMage @ Jun 11 2023 05:35pm)
I'll reply to this another time.


1) There was never sufficient evidence that Hillary obstructed justice. If there was, what is it?
2) The indictment only includes documents that Trump withheld. He's not even being charged with the same statute that Hillary may have been charged with. Because he willfully withheld the government documents, we don't even need to argue over mishandling classified documents. It's an entirely separate charge, which avoids all the kneejerk whataboutism nonsense.
3) There's no evidence that Hillary's server was hacked by the Chinese. You state it as fact, and that's all the more reason to regard you as a complete Trump hack.
4) Also, the fact that you(yourself) believe Trump showing highly classified documents to randos writing a book for Mark Meadows doesn't matter, is immaterial to the question of whether it matters under US law. Last I checked, the "nothing matters" coalition that you belong to do not have a say over what laws are enforced in the United States.
5) Sure, if Trump wanted to reveal classified information as president, he may be able to do so without any clear process. But that's not the issue. He lost the election(unclear whether you admit this because you are a cultist), therefore government documents he takes home with him are not his to be revealed. Therefore, him revealing them, and particularly withholding them upon the government's request to take them back, is a violation of the law. The government's standard for whether actions violate the law are not whether you are care.
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I'm going to keep reposting this because no Trump cultist is responding to it because they can't:

https://twitter.com/FoxNewsSunday/status/1667899493549764608

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2) The indictment only includes documents that Trump withheld. He's not even being charged with the same statute that Hillary may have been charged with. Because he willfully withheld the government documents, we don't even need to argue over mishandling classified documents. It's an entirely separate charge, which avoids all the kneejerk whataboutism nonsense.


For the slow among us, this also applies to Joe Biden and Mike Pence. They had classified documents in their possession. They have not been charged. That's because the DOJ has deference for high officials, until they willfully conceal documents and obstruct the government's effort to get them back. This isn't rocket science.
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Quote (IceMage @ Jun 20 2023 07:10pm)
4) Also, the fact that you(yourself) believe Trump showing highly classified documents to randos writing a book for Mark Meadows doesn't matter, is immaterial to the question of whether it matters under US law. Last I checked, the "nothing matters" coalition that you belong to do not have a say over what laws are enforced in the United States.
5) Sure, if Trump wanted to reveal classified information as president, he may be able to do so without any clear process. But that's not the issue. He lost the election(unclear whether you admit this because you are a cultist), therefore government documents he takes home with him are not his to be revealed. Therefore, him revealing them, and particularly withholding them upon the government's request to take them back, is a violation of the law. The government's standard for whether actions violate the law are not whether you are care.


Also want to point out something here, which others have.

If Trump had a legal defense, if he wanted to argue that he had declassified the documents in question, he was free to do so.

He did not. He made no case. He did not instruct his lawyers to argue in court. He obstructed the government and concealed the government documents he had. So the argument that they were his falls flat. If they were, he could've argued before a court. But he knew they weren't his, and he wanted to keep them anyway. Therefore, he's going to be held accountable.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jun 20 2023 08:29pm
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