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Nov 26 2020 09:17am
Quote (IceMage @ Nov 26 2020 09:33am)
https://twitter.com/willsommer/status/1331831468721655817

Thank God these people are so incompetent.


More fun:

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1331974770225786885

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Just in: Cobb County GOP chair Jason Shepherd, one of seven plaintiffs on Sidney Powell’s lawsuit targeting Georgia’s election, tells me he never agreed to be a part of her complaint. “Guess this is what happens when you wait until the last minute.”


You hate to see it.
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Important to remember this nutjob was Michael Flynn's lawyer when he decided to abandon his plea deal with the government. All of these people are nuts.
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Last min? Votes in 2016 we're not even certified until Dec 12. Just another example of intimidation, you know like the one on video of the USPS worker, who made another video after saying he didn't recant...

Remember how first the USPS guy was fake, and then he was real because he recanted, then he was fake again cause he proved he didn't recant?


You still refusing to look?

I'm keeping track boy!

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1. The original FBI investigation seemed fine. It really wasn't a big deal IMO.
2. The Mueller investigation was only necessary once Trump fired Comey. Trump is just an incredible fucking moron
3. I'm not sure what you mean by this.
4. I imagine the Manafort stuff would have been caught anyway. Having a Special Counsel just gave more weight to everything IMO
5. I agree here. I don't know enough about this to give any reasonable reforms though
6. I actually liked Twitter's approach this election. They simply said "fuck it, you can't have any political ads." We probably need regulation where the ad says "Paid for by Terrorists for Bernie" and it needs to take up 25% of space. That organization must register for the FEC otherwise the distributor (i.e. FB, Youtube ,etc.) gets fined.



The report you posted clearly stated that the FISA issued was not fine and there were serious lapses including basing the FISA on Steele's docs. So the whole FBI investigation started out based on nonsense and reaches.

You don't care and actively minimize the most important element of this whole discussion. I mean I get because of orange man bad so you create different levels of what's a threat to democracy and what's not. Orange man lawsuits, recounts, whatever other flailing= trying to steal the election meanwhile one of the most powerful law enforcement agencies deciding to spy and investigate based on shadow court decisions (using bs as evidence) seemed fine. Okay.

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The report you posted clearly stated that the FISA issued was not fine and there were serious lapses including basing the FISA on Steele's docs. So the whole FBI investigation started out based on nonsense and reaches.

You don't care and actively minimize the most important element of this whole discussion. I mean I get because of orange man bad so you create different levels of what's a threat to democracy and what's not. Orange man lawsuits, recounts, whatever other flailing= trying to steal the election meanwhile one of the most powerful law enforcement agencies deciding to spy and investigate based on shadow court decisions seemed fine. Okay.


I enjoy reading your replies. :)
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The report you posted clearly stated that the FISA issued was not fine and there were serious lapses including basing the FISA on Steele's docs. So the whole FBI investigation started out based on nonsense and reaches.

You don't care and actively minimize the most important element of this whole discussion. I mean I get because of orange man bad so you create different levels of what's a threat to democracy and what's not. Orange man lawsuits, recounts, whatever other flailing= trying to steal the election meanwhile one of the most powerful law enforcement agencies deciding to spy and investigate based on shadow court decisions (using bs as evidence) seemed fine. Okay.


Crossfire Hurricane(the name of the Russia investigation) started months before there was a FISA opened on Carter Page. It started because of George Papadopoulos telling the Australian ambassador that Russia had emails from Hillary. This caused the FBI to investigate multiple individuals to figure out who received that information from Russia. Steele's intelligence reports had nothing to do with the start of the investigation.

Carter Page had already been investigated by the FBI years before because of contact with Russian intelligence, and I'm pretty sure he was still under investigation by the NY FBI office for those contacts when the FISA was approved.

The FISA review process that took place after Horowitz's report found similar errors in many applications, which tells us there's something systemically wrong with the process. All of these facts I've laid out contradict the notion that the FBI was out to get Trump.

You know what's sad? These facts won't change your mind at all on this issue. Not because they are inaccurate, but because you didn't use reason and evidence to come to the positions you hold, so reason and evidence won't lead you out of them.
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Nov 26 2020 10:26am
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Crossfire Hurricane(the name of the Russia investigation) started months before there was a FISA opened on Carter Page. It started because of George Papadopoulos telling the Australian ambassador that Russia had emails from Hillary. This caused the FBI to investigate multiple individuals to figure out who received that information from Russia. Steele's intelligence reports had nothing to do with the start of the investigation.

Carter Page had already been investigated by the FBI years before because of contact with Russian intelligence, and I'm pretty sure he was still under investigation by the NY FBI office for those contacts when the FISA was approved.

The FISA review process that took place after Horowitz's report found similar errors in many applications, which tells us there's something systemically wrong with the process. All of these facts I've laid out contradict the notion that the FBI was out to get Trump.

You know what's sad? These facts won't change your mind at all on this issue. Not because they are inaccurate, but because you didn't use reason and evidence to come to the positions you hold, so reason and evidence won't lead you out of them.


get em'! lol but your right he won't listen he a trump cuck.. he likes his daddy to fuck his own country while he rubs one out
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Quote (IceMage @ 26 Nov 2020 10:09)
Crossfire Hurricane(the name of the Russia investigation) started months before there was a FISA opened on Carter Page. It started because of George Papadopoulos telling the Australian ambassador that Russia had emails from Hillary. This caused the FBI to investigate multiple individuals to figure out who received that information from Russia. Steele's intelligence reports had nothing to do with the start of the investigation.

Carter Page had already been investigated by the FBI years before because of contact with Russian intelligence, and I'm pretty sure he was still under investigation by the NY FBI office for those contacts when the FISA was approved.

The FISA review process that took place after Horowitz's report found similar errors in many applications, which tells us there's something systemically wrong with the process. All of these facts I've laid out contradict the notion that the FBI was out to get Trump.

You know what's sad? These facts won't change your mind at all on this issue. Not because they are inaccurate, but because you didn't use reason and evidence to come to the positions you hold, so reason and evidence won't lead you out of them.


Interesting analysis even as you clearly laid out the FBI using FISA warrants for multiple people in what sounds like political bias using unethical methods with reported systematic errors in multiple applications. LMAO

Your shit doesn't even make sense...


This is starting to become to much fun...

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Quote (IceMage @ Nov 26 2020 11:09am)
Crossfire Hurricane(the name of the Russia investigation) started months before there was a FISA opened on Carter Page. It started because of George Papadopoulos telling the Australian ambassador that Russia had emails from Hillary. This caused the FBI to investigate multiple individuals to figure out who received that information from Russia. Steele's intelligence reports had nothing to do with the start of the investigation.

Carter Page had already been investigated by the FBI years before because of contact with Russian intelligence, and I'm pretty sure he was still under investigation by the NY FBI office for those contacts when the FISA was approved.

The FISA review process that took place after Horowitz's report found similar errors in many applications, which tells us there's something systemically wrong with the process. All of these facts I've laid out contradict the notion that the FBI was out to get Trump.

You know what's sad? These facts won't change your mind at all on this issue. Not because they are inaccurate, but because you didn't use reason and evidence to come to the positions you hold, so reason and evidence won't lead you out of them.



Color me shocked. Once again key points cast to the curb as "errors".

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The decision to seek to use this highly intrusive
invest igative technique was known and approved at
multiple levels of the Department, including by then
DAG Yates for the initial FISA application and first
renewal, and by t hen Acting Attorney General Boente
and then DAG Rosenstein for the second and third
renewals, respectively. However, as we explain later,
the Crossfire Hurricane team failed to inform
Department officials of significant information that was
available to the team at the time that the FISA
applications were drafted and fi led. Much of that
informat ion was inconsistent with, or undercut, the
assertions contained in the FISA applications that were
used to support probable cause and, in some instances,
resulted in inaccurate information being included in the
applications. While we do not speculate whether
Department officials would have authorized the FBI to
seek to use FISA authority had they been made aware
of all releva nt information, it was clearly the
responsibility of Crossfire Hurricane team members to
advise them of such critical information so that they
could make a fu lly informed decision


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We determined that the Crossfire Hurricane
team's receipt of Steele's election reporting on
September 19, 2016 played a central and essential role
in the FBI's and Department's decision to seek the FISA
order.


There are just a few points that completely destroy the validity of this investigation subsequently, at least to the level of intrusiveness it was conducted. But once again you'll hand wave them as routine errors.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

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