Quote (thundercock @ 25 Nov 2020 07:59)

Again, you're mischaracterizing the investigation. If you read up on the actual investigation, you would see that it was far less political than it seems.

How was Trump "bogged down" by the investigation anyone's fault besides his own? If he turned off the TV and let his lawyers do their jobs, he wouldn't have even noticed. I mean the guy didn't even sit down for an interview with Mueller lmao. If you want to call the investigation political, you have to blame Trump first.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 25 2020 03:17am)

That's an intentionally simplistic, tone-deaf way of looking at it. Politics is a constant battle over public opinion, a president's power hinges, in no small part, on his approval rating and the amount and intensity of the support (or opposition) he gets from the populace.

When news cycle after news cycles is filled for 3 straight years with stories about how the president colluded with Russia and only got elected because Russia meddled with the election on his behalf, this will of course undermine his support, and thus his power and political wiggle room. The Russia investigation contributed significantly to the erosion of support for Trump among the middle of the electorate, and to a hardening of the opposition to him among those who were already inclined to dislike him.

A president with a "strongly approve/somehwat approve/unsure/somewhat disapprove/strongly disapprove" rating of, say, 38/10/4/20/28 is in a very different spot than one with 36/6/3/12/43, even though that's only a subtle movement in the topline approve/disapprove numbers.



On a more tongue-in-cheek note: over the last three weeks, we saw what happens when Trump sits back and lets his lawyers do their job. Not exactly a success story. :rofl: :lol:

Quote (thundercock @ Nov 25 2020 01:59am)

Again, you're mischaracterizing the investigation. If you read up on the actual investigation, you would see that it was far less political than it seems.

How was Trump "bogged down" by the investigation anyone's fault besides his own? If he turned off the TV and let his lawyers do their jobs, he wouldn't have even noticed. I mean the guy didn't even sit down for an interview with Mueller lmao. If you want to call the investigation political, you have to blame Trump first.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Nov 25 2020 09:48am)

lol

>Media headlines and Democrats: Trump colluded with Russia (or some softer variant of this) for 3 years

>Tcock: it wasn't about Trump

What a warped perspective to think if Trump would have done something differently he wouldn't have been dragged through the mud. The objective always was to undermine Trump's presidency, I honestly can't believe people are so blind to this fact.

Quote (thesnipa @ 25 Nov 2020 16:54)

Trump was called a compromised puppet of Putin before he even won. You can make the meta argument that this too is to undermine his candidacy, or even that Russia never was a threat as i know that's your default (despite russian troll farms on social media implicitly trying to affect US elections like we're some banana republic).

but to act as if it was solely about undermining trump is silly, when we have literal evidence the Kremlin spent money to get Trump in office. "they hated HRC" yadda yadda, ya i know.

why this conversation always breaks down into a binary is beyond me....

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 25 2020 10:20am)

"They spent money to get Trump in office" sounds so dramatic when their facebook ad buys were in the region of $150k dollars iirc. Yeah, that's gonna impact a $1b race.

Quote (thesnipa @ 25 Nov 2020 17:21)

facebook ad buys, holy shit are you that clueless?

you think troll farms are free? they just show up to set up fake accounts and play people off each other for a few sips of potato vodka?