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Quote (Plaguefear @ May 20 2020 08:01pm)
Mike pompeo says there is enormous evidence it came from a lab, australian spy agency says the same, australia trained the scientists involved and know what they were studying.
China is trying to destroy our economy for asking questions.



Ah yes, because they're so incompetent that they are destroying their own economy just to fuck with us a little bit.

Occam's razor can't seem to cut through this bullshit. Too thick.
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Ah yes, because they're so incompetent that they are destroying their own economy just to fuck with us a little bit.

Occam's razor can't seem to cut through this bullshit. Too thick.


China is clearly not doing bad if they can afford all these tariffs.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ 21 May 2020 05:01)
Mike pompeo says there is enormous evidence it came from a lab, australian spy agency says the same, australia trained the scientists involved and know what they were studying.
China is trying to destroy our economy for asking questions.


"Virus accidentally escaping a lab in which coronaviruses where researched for harmless purposes" is very different from "virus created in a lab and intentionally spread around the world as a bioweapon".
Imho, this is a prime case for Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity".


China is currently trying to retaliate against everyone who challenges their narrative. The reason they're particularly aggressive against Australia is your particularly strong economic dependence on China. Perhaps also your relatively large Chinese diaspora which provide a large potential audience for pro-China viewpoints in the Australian public discourse.



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Quote (Plaguefear @ 21 May 2020 05:07)
China is clearly not doing bad if they can afford all these tariffs.


Trade with Australia is just a drop in the ocean for China, while it's a huge deal the other way round. They are simply exploiting the asymmetric economic dependence between the two countries.


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"Virus accidentally escaping a lab in which coronaviruses where researched for harmless purposes" is very different from "virus created in a lab and intentionally spread around the world as a bioweapon".
Imho, this is a prime case for Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity".


China is currently trying to retaliate against everyone who challenges their narrative. The reason they're particularly aggressive against Australia is your particularly strong economic dependence on China. Perhaps also your relatively large Chinese diaspora which provide a large potential audience for pro-China viewpoints in the Australian public discourse.


I am not saying it was spread as a bioweapon, i am saying that it probably escaped the lab and china is liable as the scientists are in the direct employ of the chinese government.
China is not going to want to pay for this damage so they are going into attack mode.

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I am not saying it was spread as a bioweapon, i am saying that it probably escaped the lab and china is liable as the scientists are in the direct employ of the chinese government.
China is not going to want to pay for this damage so they are going into attack mode.


Rofl, as if they were ever going to pay for this damage...

In general, I dont see a reason why a country shall be collectively responsible for a development caused by individual human error.
Like I said: the virus having escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Technology instead of the wet market imho doesnt change a lot (except for China having to look into its lab security regulations). What they are responsible for, however, is the response to the incident after it happened. And this response consisted of denying and covering up the problem until it was too late to contain it. THAT is the real sin the Chinese committed, not the fact tha some Chinese researchers may have fucked up.
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Rofl, as if they were ever going to pay for this damage...

In general, I dont see a reason why a country shall be collectively responsible for a development caused by individual human error.
Like I said: the virus having escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Technology instead of the wet market imho doesnt change a lot (except for China having to look into its lab security regulations). What they are responsible for, however, is the response to the incident after it happened. And this response consisted of denying and covering up the problem until it was too late to contain it. THAT is the real sin the Chinese committed, not the fact tha some Chinese researchers may have fucked up.


There is already lawsuits happening.
Also i disagree, china creating it is much worse.

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Quote (Plaguefear @ May 20 2020 10:01pm)
Mike pompeo says there is enormous evidence it came from a lab, australian spy agency says the same, australia trained the scientists involved and know what they were studying.
China is trying to destroy our economy for asking questions.


I don't particularly care what Mike Pompeo says or spy agencies.

I'll wait for evidence and opinions from the scientific community who are experts on the subject. Currently the evidence says no.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ 21 May 2020 05:19)
There is already lawsuits happening.


And which court would be able to actually enforce a ruling in favor of the plaintiffs and against China?
Good luck with that...
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Also i disagree, china creating it is much worse.


Once again: creating ≠ escaping.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 20 2020 10:26pm)
Once again: creating ≠ escaping.


It wouldn't be surprising if they had virus samples from bats or pangolins that trey didn't know were infectious and it escaped. That's basically just a zoonotic disease with extra steps.
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