they're all republicans at the end of the day, its a 2 party system. what are they gonna vote democrat?

just find someone who pisses off libs with boilerplate GOP policy, boom done. doesnt even take work, boilerplate is more than enough to anger libs post-trump. tax reform, pro military, pro business, etc is all racist, sexist, homophobic, etc etc etc.

No, that's nonsense. There's evidence that it was used to renew a FISA warrant but that points to a much bigger problem with the FISA courts in general.

From the executive summary: "These officials, though, did not become aware of Steele's election reporting until weeks later and we therefore determined that Steele's reports played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening."
https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf



I think you're very confused about what the Russia investigation was, it's origins, how it relates to the Trump campaign, etc. I suggest you do some research (read some executive summaries from primary sources) because whatever you're reading now is failing you drastically. Your characterization of the media is also grossly exaggerated. Perhaps it's the media you consume that's making you think this.

@bold I think the issue is that the people you side with (not necessarily you) excuse Trump's behavior but freak the fuck out at the tiniest transgression done by a Democrat. Yes, the system is working as intended but the very fact that boundaries are tested is troubling. I was never worried about Trump successfully stealing the election in this manner but it's not healthy for democracy to do this. If PEOPLE don't believe in the democracy they live in, then democracy won't work. It's really that simple.

You're not wrong when it comes to why Republicans are enabling Trump. They are truly scared of pissing off a large bloc of the GOP electorate so I can't fault them for that from a political point of view. That doesn't make it right though and sometimes you need to do what's best for the country. What's best for the country is to not enable radicals since we're already hyper-polarized.

No, I wouldn't. We always deserve the politicians we get. If Trump was reelected, I'd be EXTREMELY disappointed in the American people but he would certainly be my President.

so so so so so so so so so much this.

the govt created this bullshit out of fear of terrorist attacks, much like the patriot act, and has exploited it to make their job easier and fuck with each other politically.

yet it was not the prevailing outcome narrative after impeachment, it just disappeared.

I believe that about you. But half the population is on the other side of the bell curve and they take the claims that the news makes seriously.

It was politically motivated pushed on by partisan actors. You can keep doing this song and dance about specifics but that's what it boils down to. The type of charges it yielded is a testament to how much of a reach it actually was. It was a colossal waste of time and in effect really indoctrinated a healthy amount of people. After years of it, did the media do the responsible thing and recant and say we were wrong? or did they quietly edit articles or purposely were suggestive and vague just so they can avoid saying we lied and pushed a narrative.

Also, IMO Biden is going to be an okay president. I hope he doesn't push for higher taxes or far-left shit but it's hard to see how most would ever get as animated and obsessed with him versus how people were with Trump. A good reason for that is because you won't have the msm dick riding him about things like golfing, scoops of ice creams, covfefe and so on.



This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 24 2020 03:22pm

still more charges than Bill's impeachment and HRC's benghazi trials combined by a wide margin.

How dare you bring specifics to back up your claim! Anybody can see that an investigation against somebody I like is just partisan hackery! Good day to you sir!

That's great. Bill's impeachment was maybe a similar magnitude spectacle but Benghazi was just a blip compared to this. What's the point of bringing this up? Past spectacles make more recent ones okay?



Desperate for my attention. We'll chat some more when I get back from the store.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 24 2020 03:35pm

We are talking about two different things.

If the investigation, opened to investigate comments by Papadopoulos, led nowhere and was subsequently closed, this would be a non-issue. But it was not closed, and FISA renewals were repeatedly authorized while the Crossfire Hurricane team withheld contradictory information from decision makers, preventing any sort of effective oversight. All of this is captured in the document you cited.

It's important to recognize that the executive summary sets out from the get-go to investigate within a framework that the FBI has created. Acknowledging that "x" is within guidelines that the FBI set out for itself is not an argument as to whether "x" is acceptable, the entire argument is that FBI guidelines were completely inadequate and allowed a fruitless yet incredibly damaging investigation to proceed without adequate evidence, and with increasing evidence to the contrary, for a period of years.