I'm not sure how it can be a nothingburger given that several people went to prison...just because we didn't publicly hang members of the Trump campaign doesn't mean it wasn't worthwhile.

I mean, that's a personality flaw of Trump lol. McGahan had his back; he knew there was nothing to hide from Trump's POV. A lot of the Mueller investigation was devoted to Trump's obstructive acts....which is all on Trump being a moron. It seems to me that too many people didn't understand the foundation of the investigation and what they were actually investigating...

It was a nothing-burger spurred on political machinations at some of the highest levels of government. These are real threats to democracy, and the fact that for 3 and a half years this was spammed as headline news day after day is a travesty to the integrity of news media. Shared polling data and process crime? lol. Crime of the century type shit right there.

Trump asked for a favorite, it didn't happen. Trump filed lawsuits, most failed. Trump held the transition for a week or two now he's letting it happen. This is the system working as intended and you guys sound like dumbasses pearl-clutching every few weeks with the next new thing that Trump has done.

Trump and most republicans quietly want to have 50% of the country feel like they've been slighted, which is an incredibly strong motivator for Republicans for years to come regardless if it's true or not.

As icemage regurgitates CNN words like republicans are 'enabling' Trump I think to myself do these people have no notion of political calculus? Why the fuck would elected republicans speak out against Trump when in 2 or 4 years they would cannibalize their chances to win by biting the hand that feeds them (votes wise). Republicans should position themselves against 49% of the country so they can win a few % of fence sitters? Oh man, that's some big brain analysis right there.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Nov 24 2020 02:26pm

Some people found a piece of metal ...

Good description - all details lol

At the end of the day, it was founded on an illegitimate document (the Steele dossier) that the FBI knew was illegitimate, but continued to use anyway.

It was likely a large factor in Trump's developing paranoia surrounding unelected officials and the "deep state". After all, there was a concerted effort to oust him on fabricated grounds. Chucker Schumer was positively gleeful about it in his "7 ways to Sunday" speech.

CNN doesn't tell them this though, no reason to look.

whether he left after a loss or left after 2 terms a large part of his core but a small part of the country by % would cry that the sky is falling, fear monger against whomever took his place from the DNC, and spend the next 4 years trying to undermine them.

i tend to think tho that a Romney type character will get elevated to retake the party in a fashion similar to the DNC's suppression of Bernie in 2016 & 2020. perhaps several trump like candidates and center right candidates stepping aside for the Romney type. thats what i would do if i ran the GOP to rid the party of this stain.

If you thought that you could prevent orange hitler from being elected by throwing out a few ballots... would you?

This is the scale of fuckery we had to listen to for four goddamn years with utter silence from the left.

At this point that is impossible. The Romney types simply have far too little power. Trump decimated the Republican establishment in a way that Comrade Bernie couldn't do. He's just a far more forceful person.

The Trumpian wing needs someone to rein them in, and it needs to be someone from within.

The investigation started with George Papadopoulos, and branched out to try to figure out who on the campaign received the information(that George had said while drunk to the Australian ambassador) from Russia. I don't believe Steele's work caused the opening of any of the four initial investigations(Papadopoulos, Flynn, Manafort, Page). It was used to justify Page's FISA, but Page was already under investigation by the FBI on a separate matter related to Russian intelligence, so it's hard to conclude some deep state conspiracy.

The FBI didn't know from the beginning which claims from Steele were right or not... they just knew he was a reputable source in the past. And just because some intelligence he gathered is wrong doesn't mean they throw it all out. That's not how intelligence works.

But hey, keep making stuff up to defend the cult leader's indefensible behavior.

This post was edited by IceMage on Nov 24 2020 02:47pm