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Jun 9 2021 01:10pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 9 2021 07:14pm)
From what I can gather, he was born as white trash and his smug attitude toward these people is the attempt to distance himself from his humble origins and the family/neighbors he considers an embarrassment. Social climbers always tend to be the most ostentatiously condescending toward the socioeconomic milieu they left behind.


being a brainwashed person with zero critical thinking does go through all backgrounds however, most people have zero business being condescending

when i read thors posts i gotta think about this old video with the soviet guy talking about how a lot people could get hit in the face with truth and they still refuse to believe it
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Jun 9 2021 01:48pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 9 Jun 2021 20:32)
I grew up in rural Missouri lol. They are massively Republican.


Were they already massively Republican during your childhood?
Also, how much of the regional poverty can be traced back to local politics versus state or federal politics or macro-trends like globalization and outsourcing?

Look, I get your argument that many poor, rural places in America today are held back by being staunchly and reflexively Republican. But blaming everything on Republicans doesnt seem to be a cogent argument when it comes to your childhood in Missouri 20 to 25 years ago.

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Were they already massively Republican during your childhood?
Also, how much of the regional poverty can be traced back to local politics versus state or federal politics or macro-trends like globalization and outsourcing?

Look, I get your argument that many poor, rural places in America today are held back by being staunchly and reflexively Republican. But blaming everything on Republicans doesnt seem to be a cogent argument when it comes to your childhood in Missouri 20 to 25 years ago.


Democrats in the 90's were for nationwide healthcare and educational reform. Things that they are either explicitly against, or only tacitly support to garner votes today. Both of which would have been massive boones to the rural poor but were staunchly blocked by Republicans.

Also, it's worth noting that Bill Clinton was not particularly liberal. He actively courted right wing governors to push a right wing agenda at the national level. He was bipartisan in the worst way. For the life of me I don't understand why Clinton gets credit for being a leftist or liberal. He was fairly in-line with Bush and Reagan.
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Jun 9 2021 02:33pm
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Democrats in the 90's were for nationwide healthcare and educational reform. Things that they are either explicitly against, or only tacitly support to garner votes today. Both of which would have been massive boones to the rural poor but were staunchly blocked by Republicans.

Also, it's worth noting that Bill Clinton was not particularly liberal. He actively courted right wing governors to push a right wing agenda at the national level. He was bipartisan in the worst way. For the life of me I don't understand why Clinton gets credit for being a leftist or liberal. He was fairly in-line with Bush and Reagan.


I fully agree with you on Clinton. Neoliberalism is the worst. Funnily, I think that Clinton was actually to the right of Trump on almost all issues.


You still haven't addressed my point that MO state politics were not dominated by Republicans during your childhood though. How can Republicans, or the rednecks who vote for them, be responsible for state politics when Democrats held a trifecta from 92 through 2000, and Republicans didnt have a trifecta before 2005? Your people did not bring the poverty they experienced while you grew up on themselves by voting for Republicans. That might be the narrative you like to believe in, but it's not backed by the facts.

To be honest, they probably didnt even "bring it on themselves" at all. Imho, places like rural Missouri got shafted by globalization, neoliberalism and the transition from a labor- and commodities-driven industrial economy toward a knowledge-based post-industrial economy. Now, like I conceded before, these placing are definitely not doing themselves any favors by voting Republican no matter what in the present - but neither their present-day nor their past voting behavior is the root cause of their decline.

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I fully agree with you on Clinton. Neoliberalism is the worst. Funnily, I think that Clinton was actually to the right of Trump on almost all issues.


You still haven't addressed my point that MO state politics were not dominated by Republicans during your childhood though. How can Republicans, or the rednecks who vote for them, be responsible for state politics when Democrats held a trifecta from 92 through 2000, and Republicans didnt have a trifecta before 2005? Your people did not bring the poverty they experienced while you grew up on themselves by voting for Republicans. That might be the narrative you like to believe in, but it's not backed by the facts.

To be honest, they probably didnt even "bring it on themselves" at all. Imho, places like rural Missouri got shafted by globalization, neoliberalism and the transition from a labor- and commodities-driven industrial economy toward a knowledge-based post-industrial economy. Now, like I conceded before, these placing are definitely not doing themselves any favors by voting Republican no matter what in the present - but neither their present-day nor their past voting behavior is the root cause of their decline.


Then change Republicans to conservatives lol. I wasn't being incredibly specific when I made that quip.

They voted for Clinton because he was mirroring the worst of neoliberalism that came from the Reagan and Bush administrations. Even when they vote Democrat, they do so becasue the Democrat running is diet-Republican.

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Is it worth it to read through this whole thread?
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Jun 9 2021 03:32pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Jun 2021 13:14)
From what I can gather, he was born as white trash and his smug attitude toward these people is the attempt to distance himself from his humble origins and the family/neighbors he considers an embarrassment. Social climbers always tend to be the most ostentatiously condescending toward the socioeconomic milieu they left behind.

hard to disagree with this. sadly that hate-filled social climber has only used govt subsidy and govt loans for his little climb (with zero intention of paying it back)
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Jun 9 2021 03:51pm
Quote (LakeLaogai @ Jun 10 2021 09:03am)
Is it worth it to read through this whole thread?


Tldr biden is a weak career political puppet elected through media manipulation and possibly election fraud.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 9 2021 01:19pm)
Democrats in the 90's were for nationwide healthcare and educational reform. Things that they are either explicitly against, or only tacitly support to garner votes today. Both of which would have been massive boones to the rural poor but were staunchly blocked by Republicans.

Also, it's worth noting that Bill Clinton was not particularly liberal. He actively courted right wing governors to push a right wing agenda at the national level. He was bipartisan in the worst way. For the life of me I don't understand why Clinton gets credit for being a leftist or liberal. He was fairly in-line with Bush and Reagan.



meh bullchit, bill clintons only agenda was gettin his peter wet.
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Quote (addone @ 9 Jun 2021 23:51)
Tldr biden is a weak career political puppet elected through media manipulation and possibly election fraud.


.... and copious amounts of incompetence on the side of his opponent.
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