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Nov 9 2023 06:02am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 9 Nov 2023 14:00)
you are literally posting hamas sponsor propaganda LOL


Just like the reuters photographer who escorted Hamas massacre?
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 9 Nov 2023 13:17)
At bold, this is a terrible take ^^

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great argument. oh wait, you didn't make one...

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17441692.2023.2201612
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/12/11/israeli-repression-harms-palestinian-health-as-world-marks-human-rights-day/

and this is not just about the quality of healthcare itself, it also concerns underlying conditions that other dishonest apartheid apologists are trying to "blame" without realising they are very much part of the problem: sufficient access to healthy and fresh food (and clean drinking water) as well as access to means (a home, electricity, time...) to prepare it are major factors regarding nutrition based health problems.

speaking of which:




yeah, and nice dodge on the whole APARTHEID thing, everyone. friggin child murderers...
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Nov 9 2023 06:46am
Savage terrorist sympathizer nurse spewing Hamas propaganda on Clinton News Network. Needs indefinite detention



This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Nov 9 2023 06:46am
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Nov 9 2023 06:55am
Quote (fender @ Nov 9 2023 12:42pm)
great argument. oh wait, you didn't make one...

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/17441692.2023.2201612
https://peoplesdispatch.org/2022/12/11/israeli-repression-harms-palestinian-health-as-world-marks-human-rights-day/

and this is not just about the quality of healthcare itself, it also concerns underlying conditions that other dishonest apartheid apologists are trying to "blame" without realising they are very much part of the problem: sufficient access to healthy and fresh food (and clean drinking water) as well as access to means (a home, electricity, time...) to prepare it are major factors regarding nutrition based health problems.

speaking of which:

https://i.imgur.com/vL7EWii.jpeg


yeah, and nice dodge on the whole APARTHEID thing, everyone. friggin child murderers...


There is no argument to make. Your posting fallacious statements and expecting people to buy it.

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Nov 9 2023 07:14am
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

"Israeli authorities must be held accountable for committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, Amnesty International said today in a damning new report. The investigation details how Israel enforces a system of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it has control over their rights. This includes Palestinians living in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), as well as displaced refugees in other countries.

The comprehensive report, Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians: Cruel System of Domination and Crime against Humanity, sets out how massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians are all components of a system which amounts to apartheid under international law. This system is maintained by violations which Amnesty International found to constitute apartheid as a crime against humanity, as defined in the Rome Statute and Apartheid Convention."

I guess amnesty international is seen as biased, or anti-semetic, or to use the current language, nazis'.

https://www.vox.com/23924319/israel-palestine-apartheid-meaning-history-debate

"In recent years, human rights organizations and legal experts have increasingly described Israel’s policies toward Palestinians as apartheid, adding to a longstanding debate about whether this is an accurate way to categorize the country’s practices.

Apartheid, a term originating from the South African government’s systematic oppression of Black residents, is a crime against humanity under international law. At its core, it refers to policies intended to elevate one racial group over another, with the goal of maintaining the dominant group’s hegemony. In 1998, the International Criminal Court (to which Israel is not a party) defined it as “inhumane acts ... committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group ... and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime.”

Human rights groups have argued that the Israeli government’s policies on land access, restrictions on movement, and limitations on the right to vote meet the ICC’s standard and that it has institutionalized racism against Palestinians in order to ensure Israeli Jews remain the dominant group across Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories (OPT), which includes the West Bank and Gaza. Israel and its allies, including the US and the European Commission, have rejected this assessment.

International organizations’ use of this term has grown in the last five years.

In 2021, Human Rights Watch (HRW) put out a report noting that the Israeli government engaged in “systematic oppression of Palestinians and inhumane acts,” which ultimately “amount to the crime of apartheid.” In 2022, Amnesty International reached a similar conclusion, saying that the Israeli state “imposes a system of oppression and domination against Palestinians” that “amounts to apartheid as prohibited in international law.” That same year, Michael Lynk, then the UN special rapporteur focused on human rights in occupied Palestinian territories, stated that the Israeli government used a “deeply discriminatory dual legal and political system,” which privileges Israeli Jewish settlers while disadvantaging Palestinian residents in these areas. (Lynk’s position was based on his review of Israeli government policies and does not reflect the position of the UN as an institution, which has a commission currently investigating this charge.)

Some Israel scholars and former Israeli officials have also started using this designation. In 2022, Michael Ben-Yair, a former attorney general of Israel, said that “it is with great sadness ... I must also conclude that my country has sunk to such political and moral depths that it is now an apartheid regime.” Earlier this year, Tamir Pardo, a former head of Mossad, Israel’s intelligence agency, emphasized, too, that “there is an apartheid state here” featuring “two people [who] are judged under two legal systems.”


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If you dont recognize amnesty international or Human Rights Watch, just let me know and I will look for another source.
In the meantime, here are some additional sources:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/19/israel-apartheid-state-south-africa-netanyahu
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-year-occupation-palestinian-territory-apartheid-un-human-rights
https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114702
https://apnews.com/article/israel-apartheid-palestinians-occupation-c8137c9e7f33c2cba7b0b5ac7fa8d115
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/31/have-war-crimes-been-committed-in-israel-and-gaza-and-what-international-laws-apply
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/8/red-cross-deeply-troubled-as-its-aid-convoy-comes-under-fire-in-gaza-city
https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/03/europe-aiding-and-assisting-israels-war-in-gaza-with-vital-weapons

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The safest argument is to not look too closely at what Israel is doing and just focus on Hamas being deplorable. I think thats the only thing everyone can agree on.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 9 2023 07:36am
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 9 Nov 2023 13:55)
There is no argument to make. Your posting fallacious statements and expecting people to buy it.

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do you also just not know what "evidence" means? i mean, i specifically stated it's not the only factor to confirm apartheid (the countless sources i listed were unsurprisingly ignored entirely by you and the other apartheid apologists), but two peoples living in the same place, while one has a significantly shorter lifespan than the other, most definitely points to systemic imbalances. so if your claim is there's an apartheid system, a vastly different life expectancy is most certainly amongst the evidence to support that. how can you fail to understand such basic arguments?

oh, and please tell me which "fallacy" specifically you think i made with my post, because i have the strong suspicion that "evidence" is not the only term you don't quite understand...
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https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

"Israeli authorities must be held accountable for committing the crime of apartheid against Palestinians, Amnesty International said today in a damning new report. The investigation details how Israel enforces a system of oppression and domination against the Palestinian people wherever it has control over their rights. This includes Palestinians living in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories (OPT), as well as displaced refugees in other countries.

The comprehensive report, Israel’s Apartheid against Palestinians: Cruel System of Domination and Crime against Humanity, sets out how massive seizures of Palestinian land and property, unlawful killings, forcible transfer, drastic movement restrictions, and the denial of nationality and citizenship to Palestinians are all components of a system which amounts to apartheid under international law. This system is maintained by violations which Amnesty International found to constitute apartheid as a crime against humanity, as defined in the Rome Statute and Apartheid Convention."

I guess amnesty international is seen as biased, or anti-semetic, or to use the current language, nazis'.


amnesty international, human rights watch, the UN, tons of historians and human rights advocates, countless jewish intellectuals all over the world... they are all just evil anti-semites / self-hating jews, who completely made up the blatantly discriminatory laws, regulations, and practices that israel implemented. nothing like that ever happened, and the conditions in gaza and west bank were just splendid really - no systemic issues whatsoever, just move on and don't you dare criticise israel, you nazi... /s

i mean, i somewhat get that if you grew up there, if you were brainwashed from childhood, told that you're god's chosen, and everyone else just hates you for that reason alone, that you might actually believe that - especially if you're simply not a smart person, if you're someone who simply lacks the intelligence and critical thinking to ever question that narrative.
however, if you're an outsider who did NOT grow up on completely one-sided propaganda, and you still deny the massive systemic injustices inflicted on palestinians by israel, then you're just lying (to yourself and others) on purpose imo.
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Nov 9 2023 09:00am
remember guys, defending yourself against people, who literally want to slaughter you, is "apartheid"

also remember that bombing hundreds of thousands of civilians is okay as punishment for having the wrong people in charge

except when its palestinians who overwhelmingly support jihadist terrorists

watch some dumbass wokies getting educated

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1722499141891145802?t=8GeEV_NrEY9m2qusvrb67w&s=19

This post was edited by JohnnyMcCoy on Nov 9 2023 09:02am
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