1.: A message of "the election is rigged, your vote will not be counted, the Dem cabal will just flip them into D votes using the fradulent voting machines administered by the Venezuelan secret service" will reduce turnout. As will instances when Trump lawyer Lin Wood was specifically urging voters in Georgia to abstain from voting to "send a message to squishy RINOs who dont fight hard enough for GEOTUS" or some bullshit like that.

2.: The messaging for Perdue and Loeffler would have been super easy: "the balance of power in the Senate depends on these runoffs, we are the only thing standing in the way of a Dem trifecta which will allow president Biden to ram through the entirety of the far-left wishlist. Vote for us, the fate of the entire nation depends on it." Instead, because Trump refused to concede the election and was lashing out against anyone who acknowledged this fact, they couldnt acknowledge that Biden would be the president after January 20. They had to walk a tightrope and were forced to settle for a very subdued, murky message.

3.: Trump could have campaigned and fundraised harder for these runoffs. Helping to win them, and thus turn Biden into a lame duck sicne day 1, would have been the perfect stepping stone for his reelection campaign. It would have been soooooo fucking easy for Trump to pull a Grover Cleveland, but he just couldnt bring himself to put his ego aside or think strategically for a change.

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All I remember was the recent one early January and I guess the one in early December - both of which was him lamenting about his defeat 70% of the time. How do you explain the low turnout of rural Georgian Republicans then? My theory is people felt like their vote didn't matter after listening to his rhetoric that the election was stolen. If he had done a better job at being more upbeat and asked his DC cultists to come and canvass and phone bank at the last minute, Perdue and Loeffler definitely stood a chance. It could have been his small victory against the media for a change . I'm not complaining, though .

What are you even talking about? 2.8 million Americans died in 2019. I haven't seen official CDC numbers for 2020 yet, but the estimate is approximately 3 million.

A cold/flu is not a terrorist act. Nor do I recall seeing riots all over the nation being called out as super spreader events. I see them being praised as "raising awareness".

You can't defend the statement that then-President Donald Trump "didn't even campaign for the Georgia runoff" when he literally did and then simultaneously call a monster for doing so.



1. These allegations were coming from Lin Wood and Sidney Powell. Both of whom the Trump campaign distanced themselves from. We all understand and recognize just how patently idiotic Wood and Powell are, and how damaging their urging people not to vote was. That was THEIR message though, not Trump's message.

2. That was the exact message provided by Trump and his campaign regarding the Georgia runoff. "You must vote, if you do not, Dems will have a unified Congress with zero checks on their power." It didn't really matter that the Trump Campaign was still insisting they could win. A unified Dem Congress was always the concern.

3. Regarding fundraising, I'm not sure what more money would have accomplished. The Georgia runoff was literally the most expensive senate campaign in history. And in outside spending, Republicans spent over double what Democrats spent.

From a personal perspective, I think if Trump had done anything more in Georgia than he actually did, he would have caused the election to run even more in favor of Dems. The lesson of 2020 and it's runoffs is that the more Trump tries to involve himself in an election, the more those who hate him will get out and vote for the opponent.

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Rioters tend to wear masks
Trump events were a terrorist act, r.i.p herman cain.

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Real talk though. When does the money spent on this exceed the present value of the net benefit Trump will receive by not being impeached.

hard to put a specific number on it, but considering we're talking about a country that's spending literally trillions on forever wars to bring 'democracy' to the world, i think the 'millions' spent on maintaining at least the semblance of democracy at home should not be a talking point that any serious person is concerned with.

I don't think its even the principal of it anymore though. I think it's an attempted power play by the opposite party which in my opinion is completely unnecessary. They already secured the majority of voters by a wide margin , although the popular vote doesn't matter. They have 4 years to build an image that completely secures those swing states and the opposition is currently shattered.

I think I am just in the boat of people who thinks it dosen't even matter anymore.

Impeachment managers will show never-before-seen Capitol security footage in Trump's trial to demonstrate the extent of violence and threat rioters posed https://t.co/bBgQWIn5VP

how does that prove Trump caused it?

i simply don't subscribe to the view that holding a president politically accountable, who publicly peddled completely fabricated allegations of a stolen election, and incited an insurrection against his country, is merely a 'political power play', an unnecessary, purely performative act.

just because a majority of voters rejected trump (again), doesn't mean there shouldn't be consequences for something like that. the next 'trump' might not be an openly corrupt, a mentally and intellectually borderline challenged person - it might be a competent, smart, eloquent, and charismatic one. considering how not only 30% of americans, but also an overwhelming majority of the republican party itself committed to the buffoon version, i think it's absolutely crucial to make it 'official' that this is simply unacceptable, and not let him get away with it just because he failed. if you were a student of history, you'd be aware of how that kind of stuff tends to backfire.

it might not 'matter' for america concerning trump himself (and even that is not certain), but it definitely matters if they want to maintain the semblance of being a democracy.