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Jul 25 2016 01:11am
I'd say you should at least have to be age 18 and a legal citizen to vote.
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Jul 25 2016 01:16am
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I'd say you should at least have to be age 18 and a legal citizen to vote.


Is anyone seriously asking to lower the voting age? Why do we even take these people seriously?
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Jul 25 2016 01:32am
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So those who have the advantages necessary to become a good student and make it through college have more important voices because they were able to jump through enough hoops to get 60-120 credits? The large range is coz I'm not sure that the filthy hoi polloi with Associates Degrees are good enough to join the noble ranks of the modern voter. :(


Type of degree should also be considered as well. As I said, I don't have all the answers. Everyone has the opportunity to go to university though. Unless prevented by illness obviously.

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Type of degree should also be considered as well. As I said, I don't have all the answers. Everyone has the opportunity to go to university though. Unless prevented by illness obviously.


Yes, of course, everyone has equal access to a good education that will prepare them for University, that's definitely undeniable facts right there. :(
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Jul 25 2016 02:40am
Quote (KublaiKhan @ Jul 25 2016 07:32am)
Type of degree should also be considered as well. As I said, I don't have all the answers. Everyone has the opportunity to go to university though. Unless prevented by illness obviously.


One of the main reasons why such a plan would never be implemented, although there certainly is a litany of reasons, is military service. I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of people who serve in the military do not have a post-graduate degree and will never obtain one in their lifetime, and the idea of people being sent off to war without having the right to vote is one that has never really flown before.

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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Jul 25 2016 08:35am)
Yes, of course, everyone has equal access to a good education that will prepare them for University, that's definitely undeniable facts right there. :(


Life isn't fair unfortunately. I left school at 13. I wasn't prepared for university but I'm doing it now. Anything is possible with dedication.

Access to education should be a universal human right imo. But it isn't.

It's sad that some get harder starts in life than others but that doesn't mean they should be entrusted with the future of nations if they aren't educated enough to make an informed decision. A doctor should have a doctor's education and a voter should have a level of education appropriate to the importance of the decisions they are expected to make.

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One of the main reasons why such a plan would never be implemented, although there certainly is a litany of reasons, is military service. I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of people who serve in the military do not have a post-graduate degree and will never obtain one in their lifetime, and the idea of people being sent off to war without having the right to vote is one that has never really flown before.


Flew just fine up until the end of the first world war.

Fighting men aren't thinking men by and large in this modern age. Soldiers should be able to choose not to fight but not where to fight.

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Flew just fine up until the end of the first world war.

Fighting men aren't thinking men by and large in this modern age. Soldiers should be able to choose not to fight but not where to fight.


How so?

Even then, requiring something like a post-graduate degree is antithetical to the essence of voting, imo.
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One of the main reasons why such a plan would never be implemented, although there certainly is a litany of reasons, is military service. I'd venture to guess that the vast majority of people who serve in the military do not have a post-graduate degree and will never obtain one in their lifetime, and the idea of people being sent off to war without having the right to vote is one that has never really flown before.


Excellent point.

It was an idea that flew until July 1, 1971 when the 26th Amendment was ratified.

And it's not something that I imagine will change any time soon.

The argument back then basically was: "If you're old enough to die for this country, you should be old enough to vote." The Senate voted in 100% favor of the amendment, the House in a similarly overwhelming fashion, and 38 states ratified the Amendment in about 3 months, making it the quickest amendment ever ratified.

So yep, that's a stance that both Conservatives and Liberals will likely always be behind for the foreseeable future. Trying to take away many veterans' right to vote would be a pretty bad political move for everyone involved.
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Jul 25 2016 03:04am
Quote (KublaiKhan @ Jul 25 2016 08:51am)
Flew just fine up until the end of the first world war.

Fighting men aren't thinking men by and large in this modern age. Soldiers should be able to choose not to fight but not where to fight.


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How so?

Even then, requiring something like a post-graduate degree is antithetical to the essence of voting, imo.


Quote (ThatAlex @ Jul 25 2016 09:00am)
Excellent point.

It was an idea that flew until July 1, 1971 when the 26th Amendment was ratified.

And it's not something that I imagine will change any time soon.

The argument back then basically was: "If you're old enough to die for this country, you should be old enough to vote." The Senate voted in 100% favor of the amendment, the House in a similarly overwhelming fashion, and 38 states ratified the Amendment in about 3 months, making it the quickest amendment ever ratified.

So yep, that's a stance that both Conservatives and Liberals will likely always be behind for the foreseeable future. Trying to take away many veterans' right to vote would be a pretty bad political move for everyone involved.


Oh, derp derp derp. I am a dumbo.

I see now. :P

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Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Jul 24 2016 11:33pm)
There's some pretty good stuff in here, should save me a lot of time and effort tbh.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4teoxl/a_final_response_to_the_tell_me_why_trump_is_a/


If you don't have your own answers, then I can't respect you as a peer capable of making informed decisions on your own.
But thank you for confirming you're just a simple-minded follower like most Clintonites.
Run along now and go depend on your leader for everything, little follower.
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