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Apr 11 2014 12:24am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 11 2014 02:23am)
defending the country is helping the poor.

Defend the weak and the fatherless
Psalm 82:3


Even worse, most people in the government would like to see the taxes go to themselves.

Defense of the county has its limits, we are way way way way way past that point.

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Apr 11 2014 12:25am
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Even worse, most people in the government would like to see the taxes go to themselves.

Defense of the county has its limits, we are way way way way way past that point.


I agree on both accounts and would like to see that spending slashed.
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Apr 11 2014 12:31am
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I agree on both accounts and would like to see that spending slashed.


A lot of that spending can be slashed, but I wouldn't mind seeing some of it being relocated to helping the poor through....well I cant think of the word. an indirect assistance through structural improvements. Like improving the funding for schools in impoverished areas or providing incentives with an effort to get convenience stores selling more basic healthy foods, changing vacant lots into play areas, or creating more after school type programs.

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Apr 11 2014 12:40am
Quote (Ylem122 @ Apr 11 2014 02:31am)
A lot of that spending can be slashed, but I wouldn't mind seeing some of it being relocated to helping the poor through....well I cant think of the word.  an indirect assistance through structural improvements.  Like improving the funding for schools in impoverished areas or providing incentives with an effort to get convenience stores selling more basic healthy foods, changing vacant lots into play areas, or creating more after school type programs.


Or perhaps more jobs available for the poor, cheaper goods available for the poor, and more liberty for the poor because the taxes and regulations are no longer doing as much damage.

Throwing more and more money at schools has been tried and doesn't work, our education system needs an overhaul that has nothing to do with added federal involvement.
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Apr 11 2014 12:54am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 11 2014 02:40am)
Or perhaps more jobs available for the poor, cheaper goods available for the poor, and more liberty for the poor because the taxes and regulations are no longer doing as much damage.

Throwing more and more money at schools has been tried and doesn't work, our education system needs an overhaul that has nothing to do with added federal involvement.


in 2010 Govern Ed Rendell changed the education system in Pennsylvania where instead of the best performing schools getting the largest portion of the taxes, funds were distributed much more faily with many poorly performing schools getting quite a bit more money than they were used to. after just one year many schools showed huge improvements in performance, that trend continued into 2011, but then in 2012 tom Corbett came along, and everything went back to the way it was, the schools that had shown improvement started to slide back where thy were prior to the education reform of Rendell.

sure, throwing money at schools is a huge waste, because most systems would have the lions share go to schools that don't need it.

but when it goes to the schools that need it, as i've seen in my own state, it can make a big difference.

Heres an article talking about the education reforms of Ed Rendell:

https://thenotebook.org/october-2010/102883/rendell-education-investments-moved-ball-forward


Heres another good article arguing that the funding formula enacted under govern Rendell and amended out of law under Corbett, should be re-instated, noting a 300 million dollar difference in funding between the 2010/2011 school year under Rendell and the 2013/2014 school year under Corbett.

http://articles.philly.com/2013-11-07/news/43734093_1_funding-formula-charter-schools-state-funding-cuts

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Yeah, but they're not forming like Voltron to become one super-being.  You guys on the right have a real weird idea of what people are.


People are people. Just because you're in a group of people doesn't mean you suddenly lose your rights. Corporations aren't some faceless entity that you make them out to be.
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Apr 11 2014 03:31pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 10 2014 10:08pm)
Or we could legalize competing currencies like I said.


It's not illegal to use other currencies in America lol.
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Apr 11 2014 03:33pm
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People are people. Just because you're in a group of people doesn't mean you suddenly lose your rights. Corporations aren't some faceless entity that you make them out to be.


Wait... Yes they are?

&it's not violating the rights of each individual person to contribute as they please. When a group of people with different opinions are forced to support a certain platform because of where they work, then you have a problem where the people with money and power are by proxy given the support of people who do not agree with them.
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Wait... Yes they are?

&it's not violating the rights of each individual person to contribute as they please. When a group of people with different opinions are forced to support a certain platform because of where they work, then you have a problem where the people with money and power are by proxy given the support of people who do not agree with them.


No they aren't. What affects a corporation affects the people who make up the corporation. It's akin to saying a couple, congregation, government, union, club, etc. are faceless entities. What affects those entities directly affects the people who make up that entity.

No one, aside from unions (and even that's debatable), force people to believe in a certain platform.
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