Quote (mike14e @ Oct 27 2012 10:59pm)

Not rejecting everything in the book, its a legit question. Args against dualism? I wont list them here bc ill have to go thru my notes/books but check out Foucault's Arg, simon de Beauvoir, judith butler, luce irigaray for starters. You probably know or have heard of foucault, the other 3 are pretty well known feminist philosophers.

Quote (mike14e @ 28 Oct 2012 04:02)

What kind of shitty dualism is this guy rambling on about?

Does he every justify dualism or is it just an underlying assumption he makes?

Quote (Eti_fr @ 27 Oct 2012 08:34)

What exactly enrages you in this thread ?
The only purpose of this thread is to show people the truth... If you are not ready to face reality it is ok, I do not judge you, you do not have to get so angry.
Remember : your mind creates your emotions. If you are angry it is not my fault, it is your mind's fault.

Throw your hatred down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXzDH92rrc8

Quote (Cannabist @ 27 Oct 2012 09:42)

I lol'd hard.

Quote (general_patton @ 28 Oct 2012 15:22)

What makes me rage is that you have a single answer to every single critic, and it doesn't matter who or for what reason.

"You aren't ready to face reality".
Well guess what. If you told somebody on the street any number of these comments that you have written in the thread, you might get arrested for public intoxication. But since the internet is a cold and (unusually) forgiving place, you will never see your own reality check. Feel free to continue bumping your own topic.



My roommate is making me buy a new IKEA table today so we get our stupid deposit back. Fucking thing is toasted.

Quote (mike14e @ Oct 27 2012 11:59pm)

Not rejecting everything in the book, its a legit question. Args against dualism? I wont list them here bc ill have to go thru my notes/books but check out Foucault's Arg, simon de Beauvoir, judith butler, luce irigaray for starters. You probably know or have heard of foucault, the other 3 are pretty well known feminist philosophers.

Quote (Voyaging @ Oct 28 2012 01:01pm)

None of the people you named are even slightly respected in the academic community.

Quote (mike14e @ 28 Oct 2012 23:02)

You serious? Don't know what academic communtiy you are talking about, and not trying to be condescending, but are you part of the philosophical academic community in any way? If so how? Have you read any feminist philosophy? Because the three I mentioned are very well known and respected. And Michel Foucault lol if you are trying to say his work isn't respected I'm going to assume you have little to no philosophical training, or you are highly concentrated in one area (this is possible bc based on what I've seen in your other posts you seemed well educated on philosophy, but this comment is extremely misinformed).
"Foucault was listed as the most cited scholar in the humanities in 2007 by the ISI Web of Science.[233]" - from Foucault's wikipedia page.

And Eti_fr for the benefit of everyone ill create a separate thread some time giving a critique/critiques of dualism from a few diff sources so we can openly debate it.

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Plants: Plants are non-conscious forms of life. They are like your arm or leg. They are alive, but not conscious. Non-conscious life supports conscious life. You are connected to trees and other plants as certainly as you are connected to your arms and legs. You are also connected to all non-living things, the earth and the air etc., because they make our life possible. Everything in the universe is as much a part of you as your skin. Some people think human beings are somehow separate from the rest of nature. The truth is, we are just a part of nature. It should be obvious; everything is a part of the whole. Nothing is separate in the truth and the life. We are interdependent and all part of the same reality.

The history of nature is our history, because we are just part of nature.
We would not be here without plants. They give us physical life by feeding our bodies directly and indirectly, and they support our spiritual life with their presence. You can open up anywhere, anytime, but it is easiest to live in the present (especially for beginners), when you are out in nature. Camping, hiking, boating, and other activities out in nature will become more popular. Gardening, home and community farming are going to get much more popular. Spiritual people will bring as much of nature as we can into our lives. Everyone is going to go green and live lives that help the natural environment. The Bible tells us to. The environment will become sacred to everyone that sees the truth.

People have a misconception about animals living in the wild. We grew up watching Bambi and Disney movies, and we do not realize what life is really like in the wild. It is literally dog eat dog, predators and their prey, eat and be eaten.

Nature is only beautiful if you do not look at the nature of nature.
All animal life is like living with serial killers on every block that eat you, and there would be no police or weapons to protect ourselves. That is the reality of life in the animal world. We were there (in their skin) for more than ninety-nine percent of the time we have been on earth, and we are still there now. We are not out of the woods yet.

Only humans and their pets die of old age. Most wild animals get eaten before they reach old age. They live in a very brutal and savage world.

When we want something to eat, we just go to a store or a restaurant. It was not too long ago that we had to go out, catch another animal, kill it, clean it and cook it. We had to work from dawn to dusk just to get enough food to survive. It took up all of our time and we failed and starved to death most of the time. While doing this hunting, we were being hunted; we became the killed and eaten until just recently. Natural life is a constant struggle for survival. We were food for other animals as recently as ten-thousand years ago. No animals die of old age; most are killed by other animals. It would be like having a serial killer kill all of us just past middle age. It is not a good way to go, and keeps you in the cycle.

Our children were the preferred meal, and starvation and being eaten was the fate of most of our children until just recently. It still is for all lower animals that live in the wild. That is why most animals have so many offspring. They have to, because most will be eaten. Seeing your children being eaten is not happiness.