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Quote (IceMage @ Nov 6 2024 06:34am)
Ah. Ok. Thanks for confirming.


I don't know how much more clear I could have been over the history of PARD. I'm the guy who thinks the ACLU doesn't go far enough (it really doesn't, the 2nd amendment exists buddies)
Harris picked for her VP a guy who's most famous accomplishments were locking down the state for covid when it wasn't necessary, failing to protect the citizenry from a rioting mob and then presiding over a show trial to give them the lashings and barabbas they demanded
Democrats first tried to throw Trump and everyone in his orbit in prison and then just tried to shoot him in the head
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Quote (RedFromWinter @ Nov 6 2024 08:30am)
You are pretending though. The result is a reflection of Americans voting logically over emotionally. Trump clearly promoted the policies Americans are in desperate need of, Kamala copied many of them after the fact. People voted the policy packages, not so much the character. Regardless of how you feel about a candidate, the country needs to be run. The last 4 years have been hell. I've got my own personal anecdotes, it's been really weird last 4 years specifically with dealing with crime, inflation, no houses, insane medical price with low quality and long wait times, education inequities growing in rural.


What policy? Trump's policies would tank the economy.

People voted against the current administration and in favor of the America we had pre-COVID, where the economy was good. It's as simple as that. Out of the 70+ million voters who chose Trump, the number who actually understand and endorse all of his policies are an incredibly small percentage. Not even Goom endorses Trump pardoning the Jan 6thers who assaulted police officers. My guess is nobody on this forum endorses Liz Cheney being shot in the face.
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I don't know how much more clear I could have been over the history of PARD. I'm the guy who thinks the ACLU doesn't go far enough (it really doesn't, the 2nd amendment exists buddies)
Harris picked for her VP a guy who's most famous accomplishments were locking down the state for covid when it wasn't necessary, failing to protect the citizenry from a rioting mob and then presiding over a show trial to give them the lashings and barabbas they demanded
Democrats first tried to throw Trump and everyone in his orbit in prison and then just tried to shoot him in the head


I'm glad you're on the record, cause Trump pardoning people who assaulted cops is kind of likely now and I know your preference is to defend his actions. We stand together on this.

How about you ofthevoid? Can you join Goom and myself in opposing Trump pardoning people who assaulted police officers?

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What policy? Trump's policies would tank the economy.

People voted against the current administration and in favor of the America we had pre-COVID, where the economy was good. It's as simple as that. Out of the 70+ million voters who chose Trump, the number who actually understand and endorse all of his policies are an incredibly small percentage. Not even Goom endorses Trump pardoning the Jan 6thers who assaulted police officers. My guess is nobody on this forum endorses Liz Cheney being shot in the face.


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Quote (RedFromWinter @ Nov 6 2024 08:41am)
The whole package


Well I never said there's no one who supports Trump 100% in his evil insanity, I'm just saying that it's a small percentage(the people who need institutionalized) of an already incredibly small percentage(the Trump cult).

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I'm glad you're on the record, cause Trump pardoning people who assaulted cops is kind of likely now and I know your preference is to defend his actions. We stand together on this.

How about you ofthevoid? Can you join Goom and myself in opposing Trump pardoning people who assaulted police officers?


You're reading a lot into 'specifically'. I think sentences should be appropriate and proportionate to the actions taken on a personal level, nothing more.
When Donald Trump won in 2016, Tim Kaine's son Linwood Michael Kaine assaulted police officers at the Minnesota capitol in a liberal riot protesting Trump's win. I quote;

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Steve Linder, spokesman for the St. Paul Police Department, said Minnesota State Patrol asked the agency to arrest five suspects, all dressed in black, who lit off fireworks and smoke bombs inside the state capitol. Officers, Linder said, found Kaine and the other suspects in a park on the capitol grounds. The group ran in different directions when police arrived.

As for Linwood Kaine, an officer chased him down and tried to bring him to the ground, but was unsuccessful. He tried again. Then Linwood Kaine was sprayed with a chemical irritant and struck by an officer's knee before finally being apprehended and arrested.


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“The officer was able to get ahold of Mr. Kaine, but he got up, squared off with the officer and the officer tried to take him to the ground again,” Linders said Wednesday. Another officer arrived and sprayed a chemical irritant toward Kaine.

“He then was taken to the ground, but continued to resist, at which point another officer deployed a knee strike to get him to cooperate with the officers and put his hands behind his back,” Linders continued. “After the strike, Mr. Kaine cooperated and was taken into custody without further incident.”


What was an appropriate sentence for Linwood Michael Kaine?
He was charged with obstruction of a legal process (sound familiar?), concealing his identity in a public place (mask) and fleeing police on foot. The latter two were dismissed. Convicted of obstruction, he was convicted and sentenced to 90 days in jail, served 4 days after the incident and 86 days suspended sentence (not served) and paid a $236 fine.

If a January 6th rioter committed an offense no more violent or aggressive than Tim Kaine's son, he should receive the same proportional sentence. A few days in jail, a suspended sentence, a small fine. I'd be fine with Trump commuting their sentences.
If someone bashed in the face of a cop with a crowbar that would be a far different case, of course.

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Well I never said there's no one who supports Trump 100% in his evil insanity, I'm just saying that it's a small percentage(the people who need institutionalized) of an already incredibly small percentage(the Trump cult).


Are you saying people who want to simply vote for the policies that will improve the circumstances for themselves, family, community are evil or stupid or both? Is it possible in your view that there is a conscionable Trump vote?

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Are you saying people who want to simply vote for the policies that will improve the circumstances for themselves, family, community are evil or stupid or both? Is it possible in your view that there is a conscionable Trump vote?


No he is saying they are a cult. (they being 1/2 of america). it is insane that one could say half their country was garbage or in a cult. whatever happened to being reasonable.

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No he is saying they are a cult. (they being 1/2 of america). it is insane that one could say half their country was garbage or in a cult.


Typical liberal rhetoric, thinking that they speak for the nation and any opposition represents only a small minority.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Nov 6 2024 08:49am)
You're reading a lot into 'specifically'. I think sentences should be appropriate and proportionate to the actions taken on a personal level, nothing more.
When Donald Trump won in 2016, Tim Kaine's son Linwood Michael Kaine assaulted police officers at the Minnesota capitol in a liberal riot protesting Trump's win. I quote;

What was an appropriate sentence for Linwood Michael Kaine?
He was charged with obstruction of a legal process (sound familiar?), concealing his identity in a public place (mask) and fleeing police on foot. The latter two were dismissed. Convicted of obstruction, he was convicted and sentenced to 90 days in jail, served 4 days after the incident and 86 days suspended sentence (not served) and paid a $236 fine.

If a January 6th rioter committed an offense no more violent or aggressive than Tim Kaine's son, he should receive the same proportional sentence. A few days in jail, a suspended sentence, a small fine. I'd be fine with Trump commuting their sentences.
If someone bashed in the face of a cop with a crowbar that would be a far different case, of course.


I don't see an endorsement of Trump pardoning Jan 6thers who assaulted police officers in this post. Glad we're still together on this.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ Nov 6 2024 08:51am)
Are you saying people who want to simply vote for the policies that will improve the circumstances for themselves, family, community are evil or stupid or both? Is it possible in your view that there is a conscionable Trump vote?


I took from your last post that you supported all of Trump's evil. Was I wrong on that?
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