It's as if we live in an alternate reality in which post WW2 we didn't see dozens of countries governments overthrown in various parts of the world by the US government. This isn't Russian propaganda, it's literal documented history, where we know the CIA overthrew, supported coups, uprisings many of them armed by us of many governments spanning across Asia and South America.

People have to bring their views to logical conclusions honestly. If we know that this was the modus operandi for the US/CIA all throughout the Cold War, even post Cold War with places like Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc. why is it all of the sudden so hard to believe that Ukraine is different and what we've seen happened there was totally organic.

Like if this accusation was hurled at post WW2 Japan or Italy or whatever rand country, a logical human being would say okay lets look at history, have any of these countries engaged in this type of behavior in the last 10,20,50 whatever years? If not, then yeah we need a very high burden of proof to believe some claim that they were meddling. In contrast, we have so many of these historical examples with the US that it takes way more faith to believe that this happened organically.

i remember a paper from the wiki leaks, where the pentagon itself comes to the conclusion (in 2008 or so) that ukraine and georgia are the two places russia will go to war for

they knew this and putin almost had to take the bait to some degree

i would even say that basically any russian regime would taken action, thats geopolitics and its dogmata for you

i dont know why its so difficult to understand that you can be against the invasion, but also admit that NATO and the ukranian regime let this happen on purpose

simplistic narrative is simplistic. the ukrainians were BEGGING the west for protection, and their fierce resistance against an overwhelming military force speaks for itself. if it was just another coup by the americans, ukraine would have crumbled like afghanistan and submitted to their new rulers within days.

sprinkling in a bit of truth for a change (US' long history of foreign interference) doesn't change the FACT that ukraine was determined to align with the west - like most of its neighbours (poland, hungary, romania, slovakia...) who all experienced a significant increase of prosperity and freedom away from the russian sphere of influence. but i guess those were also just US coups...

lol k

Just eating Kremlin propaganda like cereal.

The US government definitely has the character to orchestrate coups.

However, that doesn't mean every instance of instability is the fault of the US government, and in this case we actually have extreme evidence that shows Russia was actively attempting to destroy Ukrainian democracy.

Which is also in the character of the Russian government, because they've done it tons of times as well.


If you look at it logically, you'd see pretty clearly that while both governments have the character of overthrowing Democracies for their own self interest, in this case the evidence points soundly towards Russia being the one doing it. And then you add on that they have just admitted to sending armed troops into East Ukraine in 2014 and literally invaded after it didn't work and yeah.... You just don't have a leg to stand on and it's kind of sad that people still think the USA is responsible for the instability.

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In this instance we have the state department overtly and publicly supporting the coup while it was in progress, and the CIA exposed by leaked tapes setting up the government afterwards. They weren't just egging it on, they were micromanaging the cabinet and setting up a vichy regime. And then we also have one president on the record interfering in their affairs and running it himself, as well as another president directly confirming that it was a state department / CIA operation.
Isn't it a peach how Russia's number one go-to cyber operation method is to leak the actual and verifiable truth of US corruption, when it serves their purposes?
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957
inb4 "the 2016 democratic primary wasn't actually rigged, DNC emails were fake"

Joe Biden spent his vice presidency being the architect of the Ukrainian war. He was so wrapped up in it his son was laundering a Ukrainian oligarch's bribe money and Joe was overseeing the operations in person and the democrats even went as far as using Ukrainian partisans to push a baloney impeachment of Trump. Well, the neoliberals got the war they wanted, the war they instigated, the war they made by design. That's something we can't say for too many conflicts the US has been wrapped up in throughout history, that they've been partisan affairs organized by political actors who drummed them up out of wholecloth. Without these shadow interventions, Ukraine would still be a peaceful country living in the Russian sphere of influence as it was status quo ante. Better off than they are now, that's for sure.

Hope for that as well, but weekend US MSM reporting is beating the war drums hard. Many ran stories on anti war protests but twisted it into a pro war message peddling rehtoric that anti-war means anti Russia/Putin. In reality, the rallies and protests taking place ACTUALLY want peace through negotiations. Signs like 'talks not tanks'. Anyways, US MSM is still full war mode if anti war protests/advocates are being spun into pro war propaganda.

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Belarus partisans say they blew up a Russian military aircraft near Minsk (Russian AWACS)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/belarusian-partisans-russian-military-aircraft-032514124.html

For the few i know about this agression, there are alot of belarussian who are not wanting this war at all, and even siding with Ukraine.




Oh, this guy, he survived his depression ?

These shills will have you believe that the CIA is the only active intelligence service; Russian services were involved in Ukraine long before any other state actors.
Yanukovych would have partitioned Ukraine in a heartbeat. Eastern Ukraine would have become a Russian enclave under his watch.

Zelensky is the first Ukrainian president to put his life on the line for Ukraine to exist as a sovereign nation, not part of the Russian federation. Unsurprisingly he is overwhelmingly popular.

Its no surprise people in former soviet countries clamored to become part of Europe or independent from Moscow. The Russian federation is an utter shitshow.