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Quote (Landmine @ Dec 25 2022 10:08pm)
It’s not the argument that taxes should not exist it’s that the funds are spent on nonsense. Can’t believe you don’t agree with military funding being cut.


never said that.. the statement is taxing is theft.
It's ridiculous to state that being taxed is like being stolen from.
YES: the gov't can do better at spending wisely
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Dec 26 2022 01:28am)
never said that.. the statement is taxing is theft.
It's ridiculous to state that being taxed is like being stolen from.
YES: the gov't can do better at spending wisely


Its not ridiculous at all. Its literally what it is.
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never said that.. the statement is taxing is theft.
It's ridiculous to state that being taxed is like being stolen from.
YES: the gov't can do better at spending wisely


It's non consensual. There is a difference between voluntary and being forced to pay.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 26 2022 12:56am)
Its not ridiculous at all. Its literally what it is.


who pays for the military then? who pays for roads etc.
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Quote (Landmine @ 26 Dec 2022 07:08)
It’s not the argument that taxes should not exist it’s that the funds are spent on nonsense. Can’t believe you don’t agree with military funding being cut.



Not so if the argument is that tax is theft. It’s simply a moral argument from a libertarian standpoint. The government shouldn’t take your money by force, it’s immoral.apparently they should be asked nicely and be allowed to say yes or no and only pay voluntarily.

However, since it doesn’t stop these people availing themselves of all the systems taxation has paid for it’s hypocritical as.

This post was edited by AyeCaramba on Dec 26 2022 03:20am
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Quote (AyeCaramba @ Dec 26 2022 04:19am)
Not so if the argument is that tax is theft. It’s simply a moral argument from a libertarian standpoint. The government shouldn’t take your money by force, it’s immoral.apparently they should be asked nicely and be allowed to say yes or no and only pay voluntarily.

However, since it doesn’t stop these people availing themselves of all the systems taxation has paid for it’s hypocritical as.


We think things should be funded voluntarily, we are forced to pay for some things, and 'yet' we still use them.

No hypocrisy found.

Quote (theCrossbones @ Dec 26 2022 04:04am)
who pays for the military then? who pays for roads etc.


Thats an implied argument for why you think taxation is necessary or desirable, not for why it isn't theft

If there is a demand for roads and military services people can and would fund them voluntarily.

There are a number of different ways that have been written about extensively and some are already used.
Toll roads, sponsored roads, voluntary donations or service fees, Businesses paying for roads that lead to their stores, etc.
Roads weren't invented by government and existed independently.

As it stands government roads and the military industrial complex are currently a major catastrophe.
Military spending should be cut drastically and reduced to legitimate purposes.
How we will fund the genocide in yemen and the proxy war/money laundering in Ukraine if we aren't forced to pay for it?

The military has great public support even with the awful things they have done.
If taxation was abolished do you think military services and roads would cease to exist? Or would people find a different way?

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 26 2022 04:58am
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Quote (addone @ Dec 25 2022 10:17pm)
It is theft. And the leftoids love it they want to get taxed to oblivion by daddy government. They desperately tried to get Trump for his tax returns and got nothing. They don't understand the Keynesian economics or anything important regarding money. They fall under spend good, deflation bad category



Imagine saying tax is theft, and mentioning Keynes in the same breath.
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Quote (mki @ Dec 25 2022 10:12pm)
The suggestion that taxes are theft is incredibly offensive to people who pay taxes and the people who are saying it are lying.

Yeah. I'm just a big dummy for following the rules and not being a criminal. I guess I just go through life getting robbed by the government because I'm a normal person that wants a house and a family... I'm the sucker I guess...


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Taxes are even more theft when you are like: single 30 years old, healthy, above median revenue, but while still being an employee. For sure, at this point you may have to ask yourself if it's not all your fault eventually.
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Quote (mki @ Dec 25 2022 09:20pm)
So either we are all crooks and everything is a scam, or we live in a productive society that people live in and some of them are doing things that greatly benefit every single person in that society.

It's your choice and I would encourage you to realize that things are what they are.


This is called a false dichtomy fallacy.

You are also conflating everyone with the government. I'm not stealing from anyone or threatening to imprison or kill them if they don't give me their money. The government does that.

Quote (mki @ Dec 25 2022 11:12pm)
The suggestion that taxes are theft is incredibly offensive to people who pay taxes and the people who are saying it are lying.

Yeah. I'm just a big dummy for following the rules and not being a criminal. I guess I just go through life getting robbed by the government because I'm a normal person that wants a house and a family... I'm the sucker I guess...


You are offended. Great. Thats not an argument.

Taxation is theft. Thats not lying, no matter how offended you get.


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I guess I just go through life getting robbed by the government because I'm a normal person that wants a house and a family...


You are unwittingly conceding the point and illuminating the heart of the issue. Refusing to be stolen from can result in dire consequences from the government, so you pay taxes.. And not because its some moral imperative to fund the worst people in the world.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Dec 26 2022 07:50am
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