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#51
Dec 8 2022 12:08pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 8 Dec 2022 11:58)
you're weaving back and forth between 2 topics:

1. are the crimes of Griner and Bout equivalent enough to make the trade "fair"---NO

2. what does releasing Bout mean in terms of risk to america----More then it was when he was behind bars in our country

on the 1 side, no one at all has made an argument they are even close, nor that Griner is smart.

one the 2 side of things, no one yourself included, has made a solid argument that releasing Bout poses a risk in the future to America.

he's a scum bag, she's an idiot. he served decades in prison for his worse crimes, she served a few weeks in a labor camp for pot oil. releasing him doesnt post a threat, getting her back is a lukewarm optics victory that the left will drastically overvalue.


His guns and gangsters are still on Chicago streets and streets around the world there is absolutely nothing good about him being moved. This was a terrible decision on the Biden administration but like you said it will be their greatest achievement.
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#52
Dec 8 2022 12:09pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 8 2022 12:06pm)
Maybe I'm being naïve, but is there an example in recent history of the US exchanging a prisoner for some infamous arms dealer(or equivalent)? Does Russia just look at this guy as an employee of their security services or what?


it's a perfect optics win for Russia. they get to exchange a worthless WNBA player for an infamous, albeit useless to the arms trade, criminal. the right winged media will have a field day and make him out to be a bond villain that we just released for nothing in return. they'll mock the WNBA, people will write follow up articles about how mocking the WNBA is sexist and "shows their true colors" and the comments section will even call them racists who value a white man over a black lesbian.

in the long run it's a chaotic mess that in reality doesnt matter and wont cost them anything but a plane ticket.

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Dec 8 2022 12:08pm)
His guns and gangsters are still on Chicago streets and streets around the world there is absolutely nothing good about him being moved. This was a terrible decision on the Biden administration but like you said it will be their greatest achievement.


and if he was behind bars they'd still be there. a zero is neither a negative nor positive number. he's a zero. releasing him has no real world effect on the future.

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#53
Dec 8 2022 12:11pm
no debate, its done. can appear strange, but there is no heart question on administration. politic only.
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Dec 8 2022 12:13pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 8 Dec 2022 12:09)
it's a perfect optics win for Russia. they get to exchange a worthless WNBA player for an infamous, albeit useless to the arms trade, criminal. the right winged media will have a field day and make him out to be a bond villain that we just released for nothing in return. they'll mock the WNBA, people will write follow up articles about how mocking the WNBA is sexist and "shows their true colors" and the comments section will even call them racists who value a white man over a black lesbian.

in the long run it's a chaotic mess that in reality doesnt matter and wont cost them anything but a plane ticket.



and if he was behind bars they'd still be there. a zero is neither a negative nor positive number. he's a zero. releasing him has no real world effect on the future.


Tracking this post because I know this will have a real world effect on the future. It already has.
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Dec 8 2022 12:14pm
and now SHE IS CLEAN xD she can thank Poutine.
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Dec 8 2022 12:15pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 8 2022 01:09pm)
it's a perfect optics win for Russia. they get to exchange a worthless WNBA player for an infamous, albeit useless to the arms trade, criminal. the right winged media will have a field day and make him out to be a bond villain that we just released for nothing in return. they'll mock the WNBA, people will write follow up articles about how mocking the WNBA is sexist and "shows their true colors" and the comments section will even call them racists who value a white man over a black lesbian.

in the long run it's a chaotic mess that in reality doesnt matter and wont cost them anything but a plane ticket..


My guess is the Russians view his work as an extension of their security services, which is why they traded for him. Triggering the libs is the goal of most right-wing Americans but I'm not sure it's so for Putin.
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#57
Dec 8 2022 12:20pm
Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Dec 8 2022 12:13pm)
Tracking this post because I know this will have a real world effect on the future. It already has.


what effects? a 1% increase in WNBA tickets sold?

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 8 2022 12:15pm)
My guess is the Russians view his work as an extension of their security services, which is why they traded for him. Triggering the libs is the goal of most right-wing Americans but I'm not sure it's so for Putin.


i personally think they'll do nothing with him outside of a debrief. what can they really get out of a guy who ran arms 20 years ago that they dont already know? as soon as he got pinched his #2 on down spilled anything they knew to them already.
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#58
Dec 8 2022 12:28pm
Does seem an unbalanced trade.

It always been the American (and Israeli) practice, that they get our men and woman out. They bring them home.

But when its a black lesbian woman, its an issue :lol:
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#59
Dec 8 2022 12:37pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 8 Dec 2022 12:20)
what effects? a 1% increase in WNBA tickets sold?------No the WNBA is a joke and always will be. She may sell a few jerseys but no shot anyone with a brain goes to a game. Have you ever seen womans basketball. Not fun.



i personally think they'll do nothing with him outside of a debrief. what can they really get out of a guy who ran arms 20 years ago that they dont already know? as soon as he got pinched his #2 on down spilled anything they knew to them already.
-------Can you confirm this? No.

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#60
Dec 8 2022 12:41pm
Awesome. Why crying ?

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