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Dec 5 2022 08:26am
Quote (Thebarba @ Dec 4 2022 12:49pm)
It happened.
But you know what else happened? Even worse genocides orchestrated by left wing regimes that none of these dinguses will ever acknowledge.


this is that fun strawman where people pretend modern US leftists are not only ignorant of Stalin killing millions but also support it if they did find out just because he was a "leftist".

do yourself a favor and dont pretend stuff we hear 20 times a week in PARD is something others are ignorant of.
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Dec 5 2022 09:21am
Quote (remco6 @ Dec 4 2022 09:36pm)
If you see something to debate in these examples your mind malfunctioning.


Not really.

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well, you'll be happy to hear that i'm not the one who decided that then. the facts, the overwhelming evidence, the witnesses, victims, and perpetrators of those atrocities did. the conclusion couldn't be more clear: denying the holocaust is like denying the earth is a sphere (or rather an ellipsoid, to be a bit more precise).
if i told you "i don't believe the civil war happened, since i didn't witness it with my own eyes" you'd (justifiably) think i'm crazy / stupid. it's a moronic "standard" in order to rationalise a "discussion" that's clearly not founded on reasonable doubt, but a political agenda.


I never said I doubted an event just because I didn't see it with my own eyes. I said, the fact that I didn't see it with my own eyes means I should always allow for the possibility that it's not what it's portrayed to be and as a result, I should listen to people who doubt it.
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Quote (JessiWan @ Dec 5 2022 04:21pm)
Not really.



I never said I doubted an event just because I didn't see it with my own eyes. I said, the fact that I didn't see it with my own eyes means I should always allow for the possibility that it's not what it's portrayed to be and as a result, I should listen to people who doubt it.


Have you seen earth shape with ur own eyes ?
No, so listen to flat earthers
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Quote (Melatonina @ Dec 5 2022 07:30am)
Have you seen earth shape with ur own eyes ?
No, so listen to flat earthers


By listening, I mean to give consideration to what they have to say. It doesn't mean I will automatically believe whatever they say.

I don't understand why this triggers so many people. Some people want to hear both sides, especially in regards to something that they have no direct personal knowledge of. Why is this approach even controversial? No offense but people like you sound like you are very invested in the holocaust being real and the earth being a sphere.

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Quote (JessiWan @ Dec 5 2022 10:41am)
By listening, I mean to give consideration to what they have to say. It doesn't mean I will automatically believe whatever they say.

I don't understand why this triggers so many people. Some people want to hear both sides, especially in regards to something that they have no direct personal knowledge of. Why is this approach even controversial? No offense but people like you sound like you are very invested in the holocaust being real and the earth being a sphere.


You sound triggered.
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Quote (T_R_E_V_O_R @ Dec 5 2022 07:43am)
You sound triggered.


I didn't know you participated in pard. Or have you followed me here, :D
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I didn't know you participated in pard. Or have you followed me here, :D


Wtf you're right sorry I got lost for a second, carry on.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 5 2022 06:26am)
this is that fun strawman where people pretend modern US leftists are not only ignorant of Stalin killing millions but also support it if they did find out just because he was a "leftist".

do yourself a favor and dont pretend stuff we hear 20 times a week in PARD is something others are ignorant of.


Leftists speak and act as though all the Communist genocides were flukes, not real communism, just because the wrong people were in charge. They've learned nothing and are hell bent on repeating it.

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Quote (Thebarba @ Dec 5 2022 11:04am)
Leftists speak and act as though all the Communist genocides were flukes, not real communism, just because the wrong people were in charge. They've learned nothing and are hell bent on repeating it.



Somebody just tried this nonsense a few days ago

This post was edited by YeeHaw on Dec 5 2022 11:15am
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Quote (Thebarba @ Dec 5 2022 11:04am)
Leftists speak and act as though all the Communist genocides were flukes, not real communism, just because the wrong people were in charge. They've learned nothing and are hell bent on repeating it.


The emergence of socialism, especially free market capitalist socialism, happened because leftists abandoned communism. the right is far more interested in demonizing communism, a fairly dead system of govt, than the left is in defending it.

sure if you toss out 100 fishing lines criticizing communism you'll get some no true scotsmen responses, but ask those people afterwards if they support communism and you'll find they're nitpicking specifics, not advocating communism.

its like arguing about how VCRs use to eat up the occasional tape when rewinding.
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