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Dec 3 2022 04:31pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 3 2022 04:39pm)
Glenn Greenwald is doing what he always did, his ideology has been remarkably consistent. He's a bit too bitter for my taste, but it makes sense. All of his "friends" weren't fellow believers, just shameless partisans who disowned him as soon as he criticized the wrong side.

Taibbi reminds me of Liz Cheney, someone who no longer has a role in a movement that has left them behind. He's not a Trumpist, just someone who strongly disagrees with the majority authoritarian wing of the present Democratic party.

You should have a lot in common with these people, I don't know why you hate them.


Ah yes, why would Greenwald ever have reason to criticize Trump, the constant warrior for civil libertarians as president? It's not like that's the guy who presided over the prosecution of Julian Assange. Trump clearly represented the liberal Greenwald view of limited government in civil libertarians matters.

Greenwald was anti-anti-Trump because of what I described earlier... he viscerally hates Democrats, the supposed establishment, the media, and he'll provide cover for anyone those people and institutions criticize. The man couldn't even acknowledge the reality of Russian interference in the 2016 election until years after it happened. He's a joke.

He's gone on to associate himself with Alex Jones. These people always become what you expect them to, and right-wingers sympathetic to Trump, like yourself, are still stuck in denial mode, claiming they are allies.

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Dec 3 2022 04:32pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 3 2022 04:19pm)
An incompetent bungler with a history of getting run around by his own bureaucracy.


So why does the OP (who has been carrying the water for said incompetent bungler for the past 6+ years) post specific snippets of the thread from #MattyDickPics that try to tie Democratic government intervention with the NY Post story, when it not only was a Republican administration in office at the time, but also came at a point in time where Twitter's existing policies that put a wall between the Twitter comms people and their public policy people specifically to keep enforcement decisions independent from their PR and Gov't Relations teams?

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Dec 3 2022 04:36pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 3 2022 04:39pm)
Glenn Greenwald is doing what he always did, his ideology has been remarkably consistent. He's a bit too bitter for my taste, but it makes sense. All of his "friends" weren't fellow believers, just shameless partisans who disowned him as soon as he criticized the wrong side.

Taibbi reminds me of Liz Cheney, someone who no longer has a role in a movement that has left them behind. He's not a Trumpist, just someone who strongly disagrees with the majority authoritarian wing of the present Democratic party.

You should have a lot in common with these people, I don't know why you hate them.


IceMage is decidedly in favor of the corrupt establishment. People like Taibbi, Greenwald, Snowden and Assange expose the regime and make them look bad and therefore should be opposed.
Rand Paul, Trump and libertarians fall into a similar category of opposition and also receive his ire.

When Chris Christie was championing authoritarianism and privacy violations, BrainFreeze was a walking billboard of support, but when Christie sided with Trump that was the breaking point.
Its perfectly consistent behavior from the perspective of extreme loyalty to the worst people in government and the fiction that the government is good.
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Dec 3 2022 04:37pm
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So why does the OP (who has been carrying the water for said incompetent bungler for the past 6+ years) post specific snippets of the thread from #MattyDickPics that try to tie Democratic government intervention with the NY Post story, when it not only was a Republican administration in office at the time, but also came at a point in time where Twitter's existing policies that put a wall between the Twitter comms people and their public policy people specifically to keep enforcement decisions independent from their PR and Gov't Relations teams?


You lack integrity and intelligence.
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Dec 3 2022 04:44pm
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You lack integrity and intelligence.


Irony.

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Dec 3 2022 04:48pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 3 2022 05:31pm)
Ah yes, why would Greenwald ever have reason to criticize Trump, the constant warrior for civil libertarians as president? It's not like that's the guy who presided over the prosecution of Julian Assange. Trump clearly represented the liberal Greenwald view of limited government in civil libertarians matters.

Greenwald was anti-anti-Trump because of what I described earlier... he viscerally hates Democrats, the supposed establishment, the media, and he'll provide cover for anyone those people and institutions criticize. The man couldn't even acknowledge the reality of Russian interference in the 2016 election until years after it happened. He's a joke.

He's gone on to associate himself with Alex Jones. These people always become what you expect them to, and right-wingers sympathetic to Trump, like yourself, are still stuck in denial mode, claiming they are allies.


Greenwald's enemy has always been the security state, and he was celebrated by Democrats across the establishment for just as long as he focused on Republicans. The minute he focuses against a Democratic-aligned narrative, he's out, and he's understandably very bitter about it.
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Dec 3 2022 04:58pm
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Dec 3 2022 05:11pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 3 2022 05:36pm)
IceMage is decidedly in favor of the corrupt establishment. People like Taibbi, Greenwald, Snowden and Assange expose the regime and make them look bad and therefore should be opposed.
Rand Paul, Trump and libertarians fall into a similar category of opposition and also receive his ire.


I am in favor of the establishment, if what you mean by that is the established, sustainable political order maintained in the US and abroad which enables prosperity and freedom for a significant segment of the world population. I'm against people like Gabbard and Greenwald who seek to upend that order, which would give way to tyrants asserting themselves more into domestic and international politics. The kindergarten view of politics, especially at the international level, should be rejected completely. And based on the recent voting patterns of US citizens lately, your view of the world has been rejected.

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Greenwald's enemy has always been the security state, and he was celebrated by Democrats across the establishment for just as long as he focused on Republicans. The minute he focuses against a Democratic-aligned narrative, he's out, and he's understandably very bitter about it.


Well, to start, I think it's weird that Greenwald is somehow a laudable figure for you, as you were not one of the people back in the day opposing the "security state", which I think is a silly euphemism on it's face. I think such a radical change in your views merits an explanation, because Bogie was always more establishment neo-con than I ever was.

But also, no serious observer of American governance can claim that only Democrats were the "offenders" against Greenwald's ideology. It's simply absurd to claim Trump was the anti-war, civil libertarian hero. But Greenwald didn't feel the need to criticize him, because as I hinted at, he hates Democrats, the MSM, and the "establishment" far more than he cares about enforcing some ideological viewpoint.

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Quote (Handcuffs @ Dec 2 2022 07:54pm)
Why is the free market not able to resolve this? Parler formed into existence, and yet conservatives still overwhelmingly use Twitter and Parler is a hop and skip away from shutting down.


Amazon Web Services shut Parler down right when it was starting to boom
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Quote (tman65ky @ Dec 3 2022 04:11pm)
Amazon Web Services shut Parler down right when it was starting to boom


So why isn't the free market manifesting alternatives to Amazon Web Services?
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