Quote (cambovenzi @ Dec 3 2022 05:36pm)
IceMage is decidedly in favor of the corrupt establishment. People like Taibbi, Greenwald, Snowden and Assange expose the regime and make them look bad and therefore should be opposed.
Rand Paul, Trump and libertarians fall into a similar category of opposition and also receive his ire.
I am in favor of the establishment, if what you mean by that is the established, sustainable political order maintained in the US and abroad which enables prosperity and freedom for a significant segment of the world population. I'm against people like Gabbard and Greenwald who seek to upend that order, which would give way to tyrants asserting themselves more into domestic and international politics. The kindergarten view of politics, especially at the international level, should be rejected completely. And based on the recent voting patterns of US citizens lately, your view of the world has been rejected.
Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 3 2022 05:48pm)
Greenwald's enemy has always been the security state, and he was celebrated by Democrats across the establishment for just as long as he focused on Republicans. The minute he focuses against a Democratic-aligned narrative, he's out, and he's understandably very bitter about it.
Well, to start, I think it's weird that Greenwald is somehow a laudable figure for you, as you were not one of the people back in the day opposing the "security state", which I think is a silly euphemism on it's face. I think such a radical change in your views merits an explanation, because Bogie was always more establishment neo-con than I ever was.
But also, no serious observer of American governance can claim that only Democrats were the "offenders" against Greenwald's ideology. It's simply absurd to claim Trump was the anti-war, civil libertarian hero. But Greenwald didn't feel the need to criticize him, because as I hinted at, he hates Democrats, the MSM, and the "establishment" far more than he cares about enforcing some ideological viewpoint.
This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 3 2022 05:19pm