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Dec 3 2022 08:12pm
I am with santara, joe is a piece of garbage for this and will go down as the worst president since donald j trump.
I hope ALL rail workers strike anyway.
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Dec 3 2022 10:21pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 3 2022 08:12pm)
I am with santara, joe is a piece of garbage for this and will go down as the worst president since donald j trump.
I hope ALL rail workers strike anyway.


Quote (JessiWan @ Dec 3 2022 08:03pm)
I don't understand why he did this and why the rail companies would want this though. If rail workers feel that they are not getting the pay that they deserve, wouldn't they simply quit? And then the companies will have to hire new workers, train them, and then give them sufficiently attractive wages so as to keep them. They could avoid all this by simply paying the existing workers a bit better. Sounds like a dumb business move to me.


Or they can just have their cronies in the federal government suppress the striking workers for them, that sounds like smart business. They won't need to negotiate or fire workers en masse, when they simply stripped them of their right to assemble. If the rail workers try to strike anyway, they'll be doing so with all protections revoked, and the rail companies free to retaliate against them and the workers denied all their benefits, same as if they quit en masse, except because Joe Biden and the democrats stepped up the rail companies can replace the workers by mobilizing the military / national guard like Reagan did during the ATC strike. This is union busting 101, its a show of force: The workers have no right to strike or collective bargain, and if they attempt it they'll be stripped of all rights and military forced authorized to both stop them and replace them.


And to revisit a previous point. What were the worst elements of each president? Reagan's union busting. Jimmy Carter letting Iran implode and leaving Americans behind, and presiding over stagflation. HW directly lying about domestic policy promises to the public on the campaign trail, 'read my lips'. Bill Clinton's sex assault allegations, personal scandals in general and presiding over an economic bubble. W dragging us into foreign wars and being an incoherent gaffe machine. Obama centralizing authoritarian powers and his reckless foreign interventions including trying to oppose Russia but backfiring. Trump enflaming partisan divides and failing to take the pandemic seriously, at least in signaling if not in the vaccine moonshot.
I'd contend that Joe Biden has managed in 2 years to encapsulate the worst of every post-nixon era president. We've got scandals over his corruption through Hunter Biden, the woman he molested, weaponizing the FBI to pursue his critics and even spy on that woman, letting Afghanistan implode and leaving people behind, stabbing unions in the back, directly lying to voters about 'no covid mandate', fed officials are now trying to spin the stagflation as a necessary and good thing (lmao), an economic bubble in both housing and tech and in general with overinflated money supply, just look at an M2 graph, and all while dragging us into the Ukraine war and risking WW3 and failing to stop Russia and then LARPing as V for Vendetta's norsefire while he calls Republicans enemies of the state. And they all dropped their masks, both literally and figuratively, the moment he went for the state of the union last year, because it turns out they never cared about covid risk any more than Trump did. And god damn does he make W look eloquent.


...and I'd like to remind you all I supported Biden for president, back in 2008...

This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 3 2022 10:22pm
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Dec 3 2022 10:28pm
also I think the retrospective deserves some credit;

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/02/joe-biden-is-no-friend-of-unions

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Don't be fooled: Joe Biden is no friend of unions
The former vice-president is dressing up his candidacy in a blue-collar costume. But he’s never taken a political risk for workers
Thu 2 May 2019 08.22 EDT
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To be sure, Biden is a nominally pro-union liberal. Like any Democrat, he won’t cross a picket line. He loves to talk in union halls. He’s always saying things like, “There’s an old saying – all men are created equal but then a few became firefighters,” and “The best place for me to be my whole career is surrounded by organized labor. And I know how to say ‘union’.”
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At no point in his career has Biden proven willing to take the slightest political risk on behalf of workers. His appearances in union halls occur when he needs something from labor. On the other hand, when Biden went to vacation in the Hamptons during the 2011 Verizon strike, workers in the area sought him out “just to possibly get a show of support, a thumb’s-up, a head nod, anything” – to no avail. That same year in Wisconsin, labor leaders specifically asked Biden to come to rally their resistance to the brutal, ultimately successful attack by Scott Walker; Biden declined.
In fact, I can find reports of only two instances of Biden appearing on a picket line or otherwise supporting embattled workers at any point in his very long public life: once in Iowa, during his 1987 presidential campaign, and just this month in Boston. Now, his first major presidential fundraiser is being hosted by the founder of one of the country’s leading anti-union law firms. The man running to be labor’s champion is sponsored by someone who has made millions choking the life out of the labor movement.


Biden's betrayal could have been predicted by someone paying close attention.
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Dec 4 2022 07:08am
Biden administration is almost the fictional Underwood administration, minus the eloquent monologues.
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Dec 4 2022 07:58am
Quote (Thebarba @ 4 Dec 2022 14:08)
Biden administration is almost the fictional Underwood administration, minus the eloquent monologues.


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Dec 4 2022 12:14pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ 4 Dec 2022 00:36)
Existence has always been a class struggle, but unfortunately people (including several on this forum) think the culture war is where the real battle is.

Pretty sick of dumb-fuck tribalism.


Quote (Handcuffs @ 4 Dec 2022 01:04)
Only to those who are losing the culture war. To have traditional or conservative values is already a losing position. Society always seems to find a trajectory that is more open, accepting, and less violent.

You should really read some Gramsci...
Attaining and sustaining "cultural hegemony" is one of the most important battlefields of the overarching class struggle.
That point aside, I think you're deluding yourself if you believe that society will perpetually become ever more open, tolerant and peaceful.


Quote (JessiWan @ 4 Dec 2022 03:03)
I don't understand why he did this and why the rail companies would want this though. If rail workers feel that they are not getting the pay that they deserve, wouldn't they simply quit? And then the companies will have to hire new workers, train them, and then give them sufficiently attractive wages so as to keep them. They could avoid all this by simply paying the existing workers a bit better. Sounds like a dumb business move to me.

Many railroad workers have very specific skillsets which don't translate easily to other professions. If railroad workers quit their job, but the railroad companies can cope without them and don't come crawling back (begging them to return to their old job for better pay and with more perks), then the workers have completely shredded their career.

It's also a money issue if the government prevents the union from declaring an official strike - it means that there will be no strike pay, and many many workers will not be able to sustain a strike of sufficient duration out of their own personal pocket.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 4 2022 12:17pm
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it's refreshing to see that the far right has finally come around to admit that biden is NOT the "radical leftist" they have been fear-mongering about, but yet another corporate puppet, placed in "charge" to disenfranchise the american people on behalf of special interest groups - just slightly less egregiously and subtly than republicans do, throwing them the occasional tiny bone, which republicans in congress immediately challenge and block, lol.
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Quote (fender @ 4 Dec 2022 19:33)
it's refreshing to see that the far right has finally come around to admit that biden is NOT the "radical leftist" they have been fear-mongering about, but yet another corporate puppet, placed in "charge" to disenfranchise the american people on behalf of special interest groups - just slightly less egregiously and subtly than republicans do, throwing them the occasional tiny bone, which republicans in congress immediately challenge and block, lol.


It's almost as if politics isn't a one-dimensional affair and someone can espouse radical leftist ideas on some issues while being a corporatist on others. :rolleyes:

One of the most apt and prescient political quotes in recent memory is still Josh Hawley when he said "the interests of big business and big government are increasingly aligned".
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Dec 4 2022 03:15pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 4 2022 01:12pm)
It's almost as if politics isn't a one-dimensional affair and someone can espouse radical leftist ideas on some issues while being a corporatist on others. :rolleyes:

One of the most apt and prescient political quotes in recent memory is still Josh Hawley when he said "the interests of big business and big government are increasingly aligned".


What "radical leftist ideals" has Biden espoused, in your opinion?
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Dec 4 2022 03:23pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 4 2022 10:14am)

Many railroad workers have very specific skillsets which don't translate easily to other professions. If railroad workers quit their job, but the railroad companies can cope without them and don't come crawling back (begging them to return to their old job for better pay and with more perks), then the workers have completely shredded their career.

It's also a money issue if the government prevents the union from declaring an official strike - it means that there will be no strike pay, and many many workers will not be able to sustain a strike of sufficient duration out of their own personal pocket.


I see. Thanks for explaining.
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