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Sep 23 2022 03:18pm
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First link has nothing in it. Second quote has no context. Weak.
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First link has nothing in it. Second quote has no context. Weak.


spectator.co.uk/article/hitler-didn-t-start-indiscriminate-bombings-churchill-did-

Try this?
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Sep 23 2022 03:27pm
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"but we were targeting the FACTORY" wink wink - no war crimes here... It was purely coincidence we did it at 10 am on a Monday. Roger that, carry on!

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Quote (Santara @ Sep 24 2022 12:20am)
spectator.co.uk/article/hitler-didn-t-start-indiscriminate-bombings-churchill-did-

Try this?


So how do you feel about us bombing Japan with nuclear weapons? Was that war crime as well? Or was it better to engage in conventional warfare where 10-20x more would die.
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So how do you feel about us bombing Japan with nuclear weapons? Was that war crime as well? Or was it better to engage in conventional warfare where 10-20x more would die.


You are correct of coarse.
But the fanatical Japanese would have let all of Japan be destroyed before surrendering.
Drastic measures where required.
Not saying it was right, just necessary.
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Quote (Palasan @ 23 Sep 2022 14:30)
So how do you feel about us bombing Japan with nuclear weapons? Was that war crime as well? Or was it better to engage in conventional warfare where 10-20x more would die.


Japan was going to surrender without the United States using nuclear weapons, and the military strategists knew it. Using the weapon was a show of power against Russia which is what was the beginning of our adversarial relationship with Russia as their spies had already uncovered we were creating a "super bomb". In fact, more than double the quantity of civilians died from the United States fire bombing raids of Tokyo than both Nukes combined. The Army brass were concerned there wouldn't be any cities left to nuke before it was ready.

To clearly answer your point, it also was absolutely a war crime as it targeted civilians and even if it did "save 20x military lives" it would have still been a war crime, but that is just demonstrably false.

Fun fact, Kyoto was actually a target, but the president himself nixed it due to it being a beautiful city.

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Just last week when they launched precision munitions into power plants and water treatment plants? How short is your memory?


Yeah remember when the US attacked Iraq and the whole country was without power after like 2 days? Russia didn't target a power plant until 6 months into their operation and even then they only did it as a response to the Ukrainian army shelling on Donetsk and Luhansk's civilian infrastructure, as a warning that they can do it too.

As usual the Ukrops are 100% responsible for bringing this shit down on themselves.
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Yeah remember when the US attacked Iraq and the whole country was without power after like 2 days? Russia didn't target a power plant until 6 months into their operation and even then they only did it as a response to the Ukrainian army shelling on Donetsk and Luhansk's civilian infrastructure, as a warning that they can do it too.

As usual the Ukrops are 100% responsible for bringing this shit down on themselves.


Targeting non-nuclear power generating facilities is completely different than targeting a nuclear reactor. The fact you are even trying to what-about-ism a completely campaign to justify Russia is depressing, but you are just some nitwit American trolling as a wannabe Russian bot farm or something.
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Sep 23 2022 03:42pm
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spectator.co.uk/article/hitler-didn-t-start-indiscriminate-bombings-churchill-did-

Try this?


Needs a subscription. I think I understand the narrative.

Suggesting Churchill is a war criminal for as you said "carpet bombing", is implying his intention to kill civilians. Or through as you've stated, by failing to minimise civilian casualties.
Objectively that viewpoint doesn't hold water. The intention was to diminish Nazi industrial capability. The RAF was going to do whatever it took, to stop Axis troops ending up on British shores.

Nazi's had obliterated most of Europe and half of Russia. Murdered millions of innocent people. Bombed England for 50 consecutive days in 1940.

It is balanced to cast dispersion on Churchills character. He was literally born 150 years ago. By modern morality standards he was likely a monster.
However to flippantly suggest that he was a war criminal, particularly citing the bombing raids of the allies. Is both inaccurate and impudent.


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Quote (Cascadian @ Sep 24 2022 12:35am)
Japan was going to surrender without the United States using nuclear weapons, and the military strategists knew it. Using the weapon was a show of power against Russia which is what was the beginning of our adversarial relationship with Russia as their spies had already uncovered we were creating a "super bomb". In fact, more than double the quantity of civilians died from the United States fire bombing raids of Tokyo than both Nukes combined. The Army brass were concerned there wouldn't be any cities left to nuke before it was ready.

To clearly answer your point, it also was absolutely a war crime as it targeted civilians and even if it did "save 20x military lives" it would have still been a war crime, but that is just demonstrably false.

Fun fact, Kyoto was actually a target, but the president himself nixed it due to it being a beautiful city.


Don't believe that at all.
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