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Jul 4 2022 01:39pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 4 Jul 2022 21:23)
I have commented that it is ridiculous firing 90 shots with 60 shots hitting him.
But I want to know why he shot from his car at the police and wearing a Ski mask in the night.

And please don't make Black people like victims all the time. They are from my experience and my family Experience in the USA to be one of the most racist people that I have known.


that's what his murderers claim that in hopes of making their execution seem more justifiable, but FACT is that he was UNARMED and RUNNING AWAY when they killed him with AT LEAST 60 SHOTS!

meanwhile some white dudes, who demonstrably murdered cops, were arrested alive. you being unable to acknowledge that double standard, uncritically buying into unproven police excuses, doesn't leave too much room for speculation as to where you're coming from...
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Jul 4 2022 02:04pm
So the skeptical angle is, this guy apparently had no criminal record, his fiancee died just weeks ago, and here he is leading police on a chase, firing a shot out a window and then darting out wearing a black ski mask that makes him look like a stereotypical bank robber- it sure smells like one particularly contrived suicide-by-cop. He not only left his gun on the seat of his vehicle, but left his wedding ring next to it.

his behaviors can't be rationally explained otherwise. Law abiding people don't generally dress up like mooks and lead cops into a clear shoot-to-kill scenario unless its a suicidal intent. Gang bangers do that stuff all the time, but there's no reason to think this guy was.
and if it was suicide by cop, that means he chose a way sure to inflame race relations and spark riots
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Jul 4 2022 02:18pm
The cops should have just dropped their guns, started singing “Imagine” by john lennon, and running towards him to give him a hug.
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Jul 4 2022 02:19pm
nvm

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Jul 4 2022 06:17pm
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the usual suspects are out in force to prove exactly why the vast majority of america's gun nuts would never even TRY to stop tyranny, but gladly join the fascists in murdering and oppressing minorities...


It's not murder when it's self-defense. And considering the fact that he had a gun with him, had just shot at the cops pursuing him a minute before, and quickly turned around and made a reaching gesture, it will be hard to dispute that the cops were acting in self-defense. They had no way of knowing, and no reason to assume, that the suspect had left his gun in his car.


Now, does eliminating a threat require 60-90 shots? Absolutely not. And yes, I agree that this use of excessive force is troubling and indicative of deeper-running issues with the Akron PD. It does not, however, change the assessment of the case: Jayland Walker brought this situation upon himself, the cops were justified to shoot him in self-defense and it didn't make a difference for his chances of survival whether the 8 cops who surrounded him fired one round each or a dozen.
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Jul 4 2022 06:34pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Jul 2022 02:17)
It's not murder when it's self-defense. And considering the fact that he had a gun with him, had just shot at the cops pursuing him a minute before, and quickly turned around and made a reaching gesture, it will be hard to dispute that the cops were acting in self-defense. They had no way of knowing, and no reason to assume, that the suspect had left his gun in his car.


Now, does eliminating a threat require 60-90 shots? Absolutely not. And yes, I agree that this use of excessive force is troubling and indicative of deeper-running issues with the Akron PD. It does not, however, change the assessment of the case: Jayland Walker brought this situation upon himself, the cops were justified to shoot him in self-defense and it didn't make a difference for his chances of survival whether the 8 cops who surrounded him fired one round each or a dozen.


another fascist bootlicker uncritically regurgitating this unsupported excuse.

unarmed.
running away.
60 shots.
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Jul 4 2022 06:50pm
Quote (fender @ 5 Jul 2022 02:34)
another fascist bootlicker uncritically regurgitating this unsupported excuse.

unarmed.
running away.
60 shots.


He was armed during the car chase, the gun was found lying on the seat of his car:


The police has also released several freeze frames and footage of the flash from when he (presumably) shot from the window of his car. So whether he was armed or unarmed when he jumped out of his car and tried to flee by foot, he was definitely armed during the preceding car chase and the cops had every reason to assume that he had shot at them with his gun. It was impossible for them to know that he had left his gun on the driver seat before leaving his car. So when he turned around and reached with his hand, the cops were not wiling to bet their life on the possibility that the fleeing suspect who had been armed and had shot at them just a few seconds earlier might have left his gun behind.

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Jul 4 2022 06:53pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 5 Jul 2022 02:50)
He was armed during the car chase, the gun was found lying on the seat of his car:
https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/akron-police-jayland-walker-03-gty-llr-220703_1656875393021_hpEmbed_33x16_992.jpg

The police has also released several freeze frames and footage of the flash from when he (presumably) shot from the window of his car. So whether he was armed or unarmed when he jumped out of his car and tried to flee by foot, he was definitely armed during the preceding car chase and the cops had every reason to assume that he had shot at them with his gun. It was impossible for them to know that he had left his gun on the driver seat before leaving his car. So when he turned around and reached with his hand, the cops were not wiling to bet their life on the possibility that the fleeing suspect who had been armed and had shot at them just a few seconds earlier might have left his gun behind and might now be unarmed.


being armed is not a crime in case you didn't know. what you claimed in your previous post is that he "SHOT AT THE COPS" for which there is no proof whatsoever.

what IS proven however:

unarmed.
running away.
60+ shots.

meanwhile those white guys who ACTUALLY murdered cops were arrested just fine.
"b-b-but he was reaching!!1! i thought my life was in danger!!!1! i saw something that looked like a gun!!1!" say the well-trained (in how to get away with murder, not in doing their job) officers...
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Jul 4 2022 07:04pm
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being armed is not a crime in case you didn't know. what you claimed in your previous post is that he "SHOT AT THE COPS" for which there is no proof whatsoever.

what IS proven however:

unarmed.
running away.
60+ shots.

meanwhile those white guys who ACTUALLY murdered cops were arrested just fine.
"b-b-but he was reaching!!1! i thought my life was in danger!!!1! i saw something that looked like a gun!!1!" say the well-trained (in how to get away with murder, not in doing their job) officers...

There is not "no proof whatsoever", there is strong evidence (albeit no definitive proof yet) for him having shot at the cops.

But sure, the flash seen coming from the window of his car during the car chase was just fireworks or a traffic light being reflected, and the radioing by the pursuing cops that they were being shot at... is your theory of the case that they strategically made this up in anticipation of the bloodthirsty execution that would follow a few minutes later? :wacko:

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 4 2022 07:04pm
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Jul 4 2022 07:07pm
Quote (fender @ Jul 4 2022 08:53pm)
being armed is not a crime in case you didn't know. what you claimed in your previous post is that he "SHOT AT THE COPS" for which there is no proof whatsoever.

what IS proven however:

unarmed.
running away.
60+ shots.

meanwhile those white guys who ACTUALLY murdered cops were arrested just fine.
"b-b-but he was reaching!!1! i thought my life was in danger!!!1! i saw something that looked like a gun!!1!" say the well-trained (in how to get away with murder, not in doing their job) officers...


dude are you a robot
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