But I never said all women who got abortion were callous. And I also know that some of them feel regret, remorse..etc. But this doesn't change the fact a lot of them do it for trivial reasons.

Anyway I am not sure what you are even trying to say. If you merely want to say that some feel remorse, then I agree. But this is hardly an important point.

on reading all of fenders posts here, yes.

ultimately who am I or you to tell someone what they can and cannot do with their body. If I were personally for, or against, abortion that does not mean that I can or should or will enforce my beliefs onto others.

some comments i pulled from the thread ( fender's );

1. if you truly believe abortion is so bad, just don't have one? pretty simple, right? i mean, there are ways to fight abortions politically without authoritarian measures: if you really really care about it, vote for people who support policies that decrease the need for abortions, like proper sex ed and affordable healthcare.
2. it's not about society telling you what to think, you're free to think whatever, but what you think should not determine how OTHER people in your society live, especially if it contradicts its consensus

This post was edited by ferdia on May 5 2022 08:58am

that a very simplistic way of putting it, but essentially yes. congratulations.

this is what modern secular societies overwhelmingly agreed on, so a minority of zealots has no right to overturn it. not in a functioning democracy at least, not in a nation that actually values freedom and self-determination, and takes the separation of church and state seriously.

We are not "enforcing our beliefs onto others". We are trying to stop murder. Too bad you can't see this. All you can see is women and their bodily autonomy.

abortion being murder IS a belief. a belief you want to force onto a society that has concluded it is NOT. too bad you can't see this. it is your right to feel / believe it is, you can believe anything you want, but it's outright arrogant to act like what you believe / feel is objectively the truth, and it's unacceptable to try and force other people to share your delusions through punishment.

Lol, I am pretty sure Copernicus was only one person and what he had to go up against were countless people, the entire society. But guess which of them was right?

You are essentially saying who is right is determined by which side has more people. You are fucking pathetic.

It's not a belief. It's a matter of definition and logic. See below:

Abortion is the intentional killing of the unborn. The unborn is an organism that 1. has complete human DNA and 2. is alive. An organism that satisfies both of these conditions, is human life. Murder is the intentional killing of a human life. Therefore, abortion is murder.

ok i can spell it out in simple terms.

my claim: 1 in 20 people are callous about getting an abortion.

this means 19/20 already consider what they're doing murder, and sad. so requiring a doctor to tell 20 women that they're committing murder, when 1/20 doesnt care, and 19/20 already know and feel bad is pointless.

also requiring a doctor to say a specific word could be struck down due to free speech. a company can require its employees to read a transcript, imo the govt legally can't. why do you hate free speech?

And if those 19 out of 20 women are told that abortion is murder of their own young, maybe they will re-consider. Success.



Let's not turn this thread into something about free speech.

But to answer your concern. I don't think it would be against free speech. We are not telling doctors what they cannot say. We are saying that they have to say something. Now legally compelling people to say certain things might or might not be legal, but I am pretty sure it would not be a matter of infringement of free speech.

Case in point: here in my country, tobacco companies are required by law to put warning labels on cigarette packages to warn people that smoking can cause cancer. And apparently this is considered very legal, I saw it all the time when I worked with these products. Nobody made any protests about it at all.

This post was edited by JessiWan on May 5 2022 09:17am

And if people are told the sky is blue maybe they wont think its green.

you're starting from a faulty premise and just wont admit you're wrong. they already know what you want to tell them, you just get off on the idea of saying it to their face.

maybe if we tell kids drugs are addictive and ruin lives they wont try them. right? DARE program works so well....

maybe if we show Red Asphalt to drivers ed students they'll never drink and drive. that works great right? zero DUIs and drunk driving deaths.

maybe if we tell people the penalty for smoking crack is 10x that for snorting coke they wont smoke crack. worked out awesome!

a label on cigarettes that it causes cancer stopped smoking! wonderful.

need more examples on how silly ur idea is? or just say nothing in response and ill realize u get it.