Quote (WNxIrvine @ Mar 11 2022 08:11am)

Got a UN meeting today about it. Should be entertaining to see the ruskie evidence. Will probably rock up with a bitchute video or some shit. :lol:

Quote (Santara @ Mar 11 2022 06:43pm)

Of course it's in Putin's interest to curb NATO expansion, because having freer countries on his border is a direct threat to his stability as dictator. That doesn't mean it's in Russia's interest.

Quote (Djunior @ Mar 11 2022 10:50am)

Bugger off to Ukraine dude you know you want to

Quote (Lebanon961 @ Mar 11 2022 11:32am)

So that is what the US is doing? Brining democracy and freedom to Eastern Europe and Russia?

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 11 2022 11:10am)

Every military these days is defensive, until its not. How many ministries of defense / departments of defense are sending weapons to a foreign warzone? How many countries has NATO invaded and bombed in the past 30 years? A 'defensive alliance' dropped bombs in Bosnia, Serbia and Kosovo. And again in Afghanistan. Partially in Iraq, but fully again in Libya. We can say some were righteous causes, some were not, but either way most military conflicts fought by NATO troops have been aggressive, I mean what's been their defensive actions, stopping Somali piracy? Russia is directly threatened by NATO expansion, and calling itself defensive doesn't change that. Besides the threat of direct military conflict and the staging grounds on its borders like the Jupiter Missile crisis, Russia sees its sphere of influence shrinking and economic leverage at risk. And when Russia did invade a country that isn't defended by the NATO alliance, NATO jumped in to half-defend it and take every diplomatic and economic aggressive action against Russia possible short of war. The Russian people aren't being shown love and friendship by the west right now. Its clearly not in Russia's interests to let a hostile alliance take over its buffer territory, Putin or not.

Quote (Goomshill @ Mar 11 2022 12:27am)

There are no biological weapons labs in Ukraine with US backing. We are not outsourcing our research on dangerous pathogens. That is a conspiracy theory and disinformation and anyone spreading it should be deplatformed. Also there is no pathogen research occurring with US backing in Wuhan. There is no gain of function research in Wuhan. That is also a racist conspiracy theory. Also there is pathogen research occurring with US backing in Wuhan. Also we funded gain of function research in Wuhan on Covid-19 adjacents or precursors immediately prior to the outbreak. Also there are biological labs in Ukraine with US backing researching dangerous pathogens. We must ensure Russia does not get their hands on these weaponizable biomaterials that were being researched in Ukraine with US backing after we outsourced our research on dangerous pathogens. Also Russia has absolutely no legitimate reason to want to secure these weaponizable pathogens to prevent their use by Ukrainian war criminals, that is mere pretext. Instead we must stop Russia from getting their hands on these pathogens that they already have weaponized in their Novosibirsk facility. Because that makes perfect sense. We are justified in stopping Russia from getting something they already have, while Russia has no justification to stop Ukraine from getting a last ditch bioweapon.



Most "biological research facilities" look at chopped up mice samples for cancer diagnostics or whatever. Most "biological research facilities" do not have stores of Anthrax, Plague, Cholera, Tularemia and other weaponizable diseases. Bioweapons research facilities, however, do.
Do you know what one of the biggest stores of Russian bioweapons is? The "State Centre for Research on Virology Biotechnology". A maximum-security biolab like the Wuhan Institute of Virology, one of only fifty in the world. Russia maintains it is purely a biological research facility with no militarization, used for peacetime research on pathogens to save lives. The US government has long since publicly called it out as Russia's stockpile of bioweapons. Surrounded by barbed wire, guard towers, permanent armed military guards, several layers of redundant security and fortifications. And it just happens to contain vast reserves of samples of anthrax, plague, marburg, ebola, etc.

Quote (Santara @ Mar 11 2022 07:44pm)

A couple things: the USA is not NATO. Eastern European countries ASKED to join NATO, because they have a close personal understanding of what it means to live under Russia's sphere of influence. Nothing is stopping them from leaving NATO and going back to the Warsaw Pact.

Quote (Djunior @ Mar 11 2022 10:34am)

There's common sense and foolish policies.

But hey lets have WW3 then instead of common sense. At least we'll go out with a nice big fireball. Don't complain afterwards if you're one of the surviving nuclear zombies.

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 11 2022 01:06pm)

What is common sense, here? Never upset Russia? Where do we draw the line?

Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 11 2022 08:06pm)

What is common sense, here? Never upset Russia? Where do we draw the line?

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Mar 11 2022 10:55am)

So your whole argument, again, just boils down to

They have weaponizable pathogens, therefore they are doing biological weapons research.

That's not a very strong case. Any lab doing research on infectious diseases will have weaponizable pathogens. You can't study a pathogen without having it. None of your links reference bioweapons. It references infectious specimines which, again, every lab studying infectious disease will have.

There's BSL4 labs on my campus studying highly infectious diseases. I can guarantee they aren't doing weapons research.