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Feb 25 2022 03:11am
> everything starts with Crimeea during Obama's "power"

> continues with donbas takeover during Obama's "power"

> russia did nothing during Trump's reign, literally NOTHING

> immediately when biden comes to "power", Russia start pressing Ukraine

> leftists blame trump

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Feb 25 2022 04:24am
Quote (SanduLungu @ Feb 25 2022 03:11am)
> everything starts with Crimeea during Obama's "power"
> continues with donbas takeover during Obama's "power"
> russia did nothing during Trump's reign, literally NOTHING
> immediately when biden comes to "power", Russia start pressing Ukraine
> leftists blame trump


but consider the scenario I was exploring

Obama's administration chose to back Euromaidan and micromanage the Ukrainian government. There's a question of how much this was Obama, Biden, Kerry, the CIA, whoever, but they did at any rate.
But then Obama consciously chose not to escalate in Ukraine, refusing to send lethal arms because Russia would see that as an unacceptable military threat to their borders. Obama made a point of both quashing talk of NATO expansion and western military aid, courting an uneasy standoff between Ukraine and the separatist regions held by Russian forces. When Trump faced off against Putin, motivated in part by a need to overcompensate for domestic political pressure accusing him of being in bed with Putin and in part by geopolitical theory of projecting strength, Trump decided to send lethal arms to Ukraine. In effect he crossed Putin's red line and set in motion the events that Obama had tried to avoid. And Putin being characteristically glacially paced in his cold revenge (note the time span between his 2011 election and 2016 revenge on Clinton), he waited until both Nord Stream II was ripe and Biden was a pushover and Russia's other military fronts eased up before storming Ukraine.

There can be an argument for responsibility shared by Obama, Trump and Biden alike, but I'd say Trump bears the most responsibility in this scenario. But for exactly the opposite reason the leftists claim. Like, the provocation was Trump being too hostile to Russia and too friendly with ukraine, and these guys tried to impeach him for holding onto those stingers for a hypothetical
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but consider the scenario I was exploring

Obama's administration chose to back Euromaidan and micromanage the Ukrainian government. There's a question of how much this was Obama, Biden, Kerry, the CIA, whoever, but they did at any rate.
But then Obama consciously chose not to escalate in Ukraine, refusing to send lethal arms because Russia would see that as an unacceptable military threat to their borders. Obama made a point of both quashing talk of NATO expansion and western military aid, courting an uneasy standoff between Ukraine and the separatist regions held by Russian forces. When Trump faced off against Putin, motivated in part by a need to overcompensate for domestic political pressure accusing him of being in bed with Putin and in part by geopolitical theory of projecting strength, Trump decided to send lethal arms to Ukraine. In effect he crossed Putin's red line and set in motion the events that Obama had tried to avoid. And Putin being characteristically glacially paced in his cold revenge (note the time span between his 2011 election and 2016 revenge on Clinton), he waited until both Nord Stream II was ripe and Biden was a pushover and Russia's other military fronts eased up before storming Ukraine.

There can be an argument for responsibility shared by Obama, Trump and Biden alike, but I'd say Trump bears the most responsibility in this scenario. But for exactly the opposite reason the leftists claim. Like, the provocation was Trump being too hostile to Russia and too friendly with ukraine, and these guys tried to impeach him for holding onto those stingers for a hypothetical


absolutely, this has been said many times, the west seduced ukraine and now ukraine is left to be defiled.

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Feb 25 2022 05:01am

Blood In the Water
https://www.bitchute.com/video/m8UTVW4wMtEZ/

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Feb 25 2022 05:14am
Russia hasn’t changed but a lot of ironically anti-Russians on the left sure did weaken our nation and give that instability he wanted. Thanks for complaining about bathrooms, now Ukraine is gonna get nuked. You chopped our balls off stupid. China is next you dolts.

Edit: I just hope everyone is wearing a mask. It’s war, let’s not be animals amiright?

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Feb 25 2022 08:52am
Quote (Goomshill @ 25 Feb 2022 05:24)
but consider the scenario I was exploring

Obama's administration chose to back Euromaidan and micromanage the Ukrainian government. There's a question of how much this was Obama, Biden, Kerry, the CIA, whoever, but they did at any rate.
But then Obama consciously chose not to escalate in Ukraine, refusing to send lethal arms because Russia would see that as an unacceptable military threat to their borders. Obama made a point of both quashing talk of NATO expansion and western military aid, courting an uneasy standoff between Ukraine and the separatist regions held by Russian forces. When Trump faced off against Putin, motivated in part by a need to overcompensate for domestic political pressure accusing him of being in bed with Putin and in part by geopolitical theory of projecting strength, Trump decided to send lethal arms to Ukraine. In effect he crossed Putin's red line and set in motion the events that Obama had tried to avoid. And Putin being characteristically glacially paced in his cold revenge (note the time span between his 2011 election and 2016 revenge on Clinton), he waited until both Nord Stream II was ripe and Biden was a pushover and Russia's other military fronts eased up before storming Ukraine.

There can be an argument for responsibility shared by Obama, Trump and Biden alike, but I'd say Trump bears the most responsibility in this scenario. But for exactly the opposite reason the leftists claim. Like, the provocation was Trump being too hostile to Russia and too friendly with ukraine, and these guys tried to impeach him for holding onto those stingers for a hypothetical


I blame Bush more than anyone who came after. He started the downward spiral.
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Feb 25 2022 01:05pm
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/feb/28/pete-souzas-best-shot-obama-putin-trump-adversary

Epic cowling in this body language. Last great American sovereign here.

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Feb 26 2022 02:46am
I shouldn't feed the weirdo conspiracy theories but

Patriot Mike on Telegram just might know the truth!

"Who believes if they were doing this, that Fauci/Daszak/Collins/WEF, out of all the bioweapons labs the world over that they are funding and in control of, they were ONLY doing the illegal gain of function research in Wuha, NOWHERE ELSE?

Putin has long been a thorn in the side of the NWO/WEF cabal. The fact the same merry crew that unleashed a viral weapon on the world from China - deliberately or not - were running bioweapons labs on his border and wouldn't stop it when he demanded it very likely could be a key.

If my theory is correct, you're going to want to keep an eye on Fauci, Daszak, etc."
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