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Feb 24 2022 04:44pm
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Quote (Vastet @ Feb 24 2022 04:42pm)
That's amazing wish I'd seen it before. Obviously I was way off on yearly tests lol but I think you'd agree no year or even decade of tests compare to the magnitude of a global nuclear war.


A lot of those tests were underground tests, but there have still been over 500 atmospheric nuclear tests.

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/nucleartesttally
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Feb 24 2022 04:48pm
Quote (Mondain @ Feb 24 2022 04:43pm)
Not ww3, every conflict is claimed to start ww3.

Here is why, it's not a world war.

Russia is targeting Ukraine. That's not the world.


A single assassin targeted a single person (Archduke Ferdinand of Austria), yet that led to World War I.

Germany targeted Poland, and that turned into World War II.

Not saying this will turn into WW III, but there are geopolitical ramifications that extend outside the borders of Ukraine.
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Feb 24 2022 04:49pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ 24 Feb 2022 17:44)
A lot of those tests were underground tests, but there have still been over 500 atmospheric nuclear tests.

https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/nucleartesttally


I might as well have waited 2 seconds before editing my post lol.
500 atmospheric tests sounds like a lot, except around 95% of them were done with antiquated technology compared to today. And 500 is nothing compared to the 3100-15000+ that might be launched in a global deployment.

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A single assassin targeted a single person (Archduke Ferdinand of Austria), yet that led to World War I.

Germany targeted Poland, and that turned into World War II.

Not saying this will turn into WW III, but there are geopolitical ramifications that extend outside the borders of Ukraine.


the single assassination is not what continued a spiral into a world war. Sure was it a spark yes but it could have been prevented.
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Feb 24 2022 04:52pm
Quote (Vastet @ Feb 24 2022 04:49pm)
I might as well have waited 2 seconds before editing my post lol.
500 atmospheric tests sounds like a lot, except around 95% of them were done with antiquated technology compared to today. And 500 is nothing compared to the 2100-15000+ that might be launched in a global deployment.


Yep. And that's the point with regard to hostile deployment of nuclear weapons. Atmospheric testing was primarily done over remote islands where very little ground debris was sent into the air. Hostile deployment of nukes would be over populated land areas, and would send millions of tons of debris into the atmosphere.
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Feb 24 2022 04:56pm
Quote (Mondain @ Feb 24 2022 04:49pm)
the single assassination is not what continued a spiral into a world war. Sure was it a spark yes but it could have been prevented.


It absolutely led to it. Could things have been prevented? Sure. But they weren't. It's part of the historical record. The point is that, just because it's just Russia invading just Ukraine, that doesn't mean that there isn't a potential for this to spread into a much greater conflict. Personally, I don't think it will become WWIII, but the chances of it doing so are not zero.
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Feb 24 2022 04:57pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Feb 24 2022 05:56pm)
It absolutely led to it. Could things have been prevented? Sure. But they weren't. It's part of the historical record. The point is that, just because it's just Russia invading just Ukraine, that doesn't mean that there isn't a potential for this to spread into a much greater conflict. Personally, I don't think it will become WWIII, but the chances of it doing so are not zero.


listen bud, we have 2 world wars of experience on how not to start world war 3.

This isn't world war 3. Every conflict people start saying world war 3. :rolleyes:
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Feb 24 2022 05:00pm
Quote (Mondain @ Feb 24 2022 04:57pm)
listen bud, we have 2 world wars of experience on how not to start world war 3.

This isn't world war 3. Every conflict people start saying world war 3. :rolleyes:


Did you not read where I specifically stated that I don't believe this will become WWIII? Is it a world war now? Absolutely not. Could it potentially turn into one? Sure it could. It's not likely to IMO, but the possibility is there, however remote.
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Feb 24 2022 05:02pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Feb 24 2022 06:00pm)
Did you not read where I specifically stated that I don't believe this will become WWIII? Is it a world war now? Absolutely not. Could it potentially turn into one? Sure it could. It's not likely to IMO, but the possibility is there, however remote.


We're in a world war 3 thread, so i'm talking about world war 3 because it's so tantalizing to people's ears.
If you want to make a world war 1 thread i'll be sure to post in it so you can get upset at me.
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