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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Jan 19 2022 06:24am)
In DC we have racist blacks making accusations & condemnations against people describing the crimes they do currently

we should teach kids today about FBI crime statistics on murder and violent crime



Truth bombs awayyyyyyyyyyy! It’s taboo to point out the culture that creates these problems is internally perpetuated. Street/hood culture is be a criminal, make money, kill people, be hard, never get married. And look at the results. More crime on the streets than ever. A weak man can pull a trigger, it takes a real man, a tough man to wake up and go to work everyday to take care of his family.

To OP, once all the George Floyd monuments are down maybe we can have a conversation. He was a violent druggie who should’ve died anyway. He was murdered yes, he was not a good person innocently taken while minding his own business. Teaching inarguably false ideologies to children is damaging, does nothing for blacks, and alienates whites. It’s actual evil as it’s race pimping done via school grants paid for by the people.

Take your white guilt witcha and move to Africa. Share all the wonderful stories of what it’s like being away from all the whites. It’s ok, I’ll wait.

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There are two pictures. The original picture of the guy holidng up a sign. And then there is the edited version to excite low information people. Are you saying the original picture is a lie?


I thought it was obviously a joke.
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Jan 19 2022 10:43am
Quote (bogie160 @ Jan 19 2022 11:32am)
I thought it was obviously a joke.


Project veritas and bitchute should just be a joke as well but our pardian conservatives have shown just how gullible they are so i try not to overestimate them
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Florida has become a white trash hot spot.


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You word against your own people.
Is Benedict Arnold your hero?


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I have never once said those words.
It's not to late to change.



Liar. *too
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Truth bombs awayyyyyyyyyyy! It’s taboo to point out the culture that creates these problems is internally perpetuated. Street/hood culture is be a criminal, make money, kill people, be hard, never get married. And look at the results. More crime on the streets than ever. A weak man can pull a trigger, it takes a real man, a tough man to wake up and go to work everyday to take care of his family.

To OP, once all the George Floyd monuments are down maybe we can have a conversation. He was a violent druggie who should’ve died anyway. He was murdered yes, he was not a good person innocently taken while minding his own business. Teaching inarguably false ideologies to children is damaging, does nothing for blacks, and alienates whites. It’s actual evil as it’s race pimping done via school grants paid for by the people.

Take your white guilt witcha and move to Africa. Share all the wonderful stories of what it’s like being away from all the whites. It’s ok, I’ll wait.


I mean, we already tearing down all the civil war monuments so maybe in a few hundred years.
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You can reject guilt and still take some responsibility.

Depends on what exactly "taking responsibility" is supposed to mean.

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If your dad robs a bank and dies, and leaves the money to you, you still don't get to keep the money after all.

On a societal level, this is exactly how it has worked throughout human history: if a nation or a group of people steal something, be it commodities, art treasures or land, and they got away with it for more than one generation, the stuff was theirs.
Exhibit A: the United States belong to the European settlers and their descendants now while the natives live in some desolate, shitty reservations. Crimea belongs to Russia now. Europe is never going to fully restitute the wealth it extracted from its colonies. Egypt is never gonna pay reparations to Sudan for the millions of slave who died building the pyramids. And so on and on.

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When we were talking about reparations a while back you said that blanket reparations don't work, and the Japanese reparations after the internment camps of WW2 were specific and only to the families of those affected so it does work. When I asked if then it would be fine to find families that were impacted by red lining specifically and give them something I didn't see you answer.

Do you maybe have a link to this conversation? I remember that we talked about it, but I can't quite remember the specific arguments I made back then.

One key distinction between reparations for slavery or redlining and reparations for Japanese internment is that the victims were still alive, as were the perpetrators in the form of the public officials who decided and executed it.

Regarding your question: the problem with reparations after decades is that the money has to come from somewhere and it won't be feasible to only raise it from people whose families already lived in a community back when redlining still existed. Financiing reparations through general tax revenue would indirectly mean that whites who had nothing to do with the redlining and whose families did not benefit from it would be forced to pay for the sins of other whites, in other words, such an approach would be kin liability.[/QUOTE]

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this is me but unironically
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Depends on what exactly "taking responsibility" is supposed to mean.

On a societal level, this is exactly how it has worked throughout human history: if a nation or a group of people steal something, be it commodities, art treasures or land, and they got away with it for more than one generation, the stuff was theirs.
Exhibit A: the United States belong to the European settlers and their descendants now while the natives live in some desolate, shitty reservations. Crimea belongs to Russia now. Europe is never going to fully restitute the wealth it extracted from its colonies. Egypt is never gonna pay reparations to Sudan for the millions of slave who died building the pyramids. And so on and on.

Do you maybe have a link to this conversation? I remember that we talked about it, but I can't quite remember the specific arguments I made back then.

One key distinction between reparations for slavery or redlining and reparations for Japanese internment is that the victims were still alive, as were the perpetrators in the form of the public officials who decided and executed it.

Regarding your question: the problem with reparations after decades is that the money has to come from somewhere and it won't be feasible to only raise it from people whose families already lived in a community back when redlining still existed. Financiing reparations through general tax revenue would indirectly mean that whites who had nothing to do with the redlining and whose families did not benefit from it would be forced to pay for the sins of other whites, in other words, such an approach would be kin liability.


On a societal level, sure, that's how its traditionally worked, but we can use that to justify pretty much anything. The justification just amounts to "might makes right, I have the might to keep this stuff, so fuck you".

I don't have a link, but we can talk about it here.

I see no problem with taxing "white people who had nothing to do with it". If there is discrimination in the housing market you will have less competition for housing, education, and in the job market. You do implicitly benefit from it.

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On a societal level, sure, that's how its traditionally worked, but we can use that to justify pretty much anything. The justification just amounts to "might makes right, I have the might to keep this stuff, so fuck you".

There's a reason it has traditionally worked that way. The more time has passed, the less practical it becomes to make up for the theft or exploitation.

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I don't have a link, but we can talk about it here.

My problem is that I remember myself making several, rather detailed arguments which I considered to be pretty good at the time... but I can't remember what these arguments were. Fucking early stage alzheimer's... ;)


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I see no problem with taxing "white people who had nothing to do with it". If there is discrimination in the housing market you will have less competition for housing, education, and in the job market. You do implicitly benefit from it.

If you can prove that this discrimination still exists today, you might have a case. On the other hand, arguing that redlining which was ended decades ago is still giving whites a leg up in today's housing or job market is a huge stretch.

Also, the redlining argument doesn't cover the other argument you like to make in this context, namely the inability of black families to accumulate generational wealth. Whites who did not live in the U.S. or particular communities while redlining, Jim Crow and all this stuff was still rampant only benefit from black people's lack of wealth in an extremely indirect and negligible way. Forcing them to share in with reparations would be unjust.


Generally speaking, the dilemma of the United States, in my humble, out of touch opinion as a foreign voyeur, is that inequality tends to perpetuate itself, even in the absence of present-day discrimination. The only avenues for fixing this inequality (rooted in past injustice) in targetted fashion would all create new injustices. Which brings me back to my broader point which I have made repeatedly: stuff like race-based reparations would lead to new injustices and are politically toxic. The far better approach to address issues like the black-white wealth gap would be colorblind policies which help all the poor. If blacks are disproportionately poor because of past discrimination, they will automatically benefit disproportionately from such policies. I believe this approach (let's call it the "'Labour Bernie' from 2016 approach") to be more just, more effective and politically smarter.

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