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Dec 29 2021 07:31pm
Quote (Sioux @ Dec 30 2021 03:26am)
I think your handle on the English language is lacking, go back and read again. I'll expect the book report in an hour.


Which part of you calling pro-Iraq war war-criminals "reasonable" did you have trouble comprehending?



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Which part of you calling pro-Iraq war war-criminals "reasonable" did you have trouble comprehending?

https://i.imgur.com/ElKZh6L.jpg


War-criminal for a vote in congress is a pretty big stretch of the word friend.
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Dec 29 2021 07:36pm
Quote (Sioux @ 30 Dec 2021 02:14)
If three normally reasonable people all agree, maybe they're just right.


Except that you guys aren't right in this instance.

The Comey case clearly proves that for practical purposes, Trump was not able to fire FBI personnel at will, that there did exist forms of bad press he had to be afraid of and that him not trying to purge the FBI any further is not necessarily indicative of being friendly with them.

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Quote (Sioux @ Dec 30 2021 03:35am)
War-criminal for a vote in congress is a pretty big stretch of the word friend.


how about knowing that WMD's are a hoax and still voting yes ?

and not mentioning it ever since

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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Dec 29 2021 05:37pm)
how about knowing that WMD's are a hoax and still voting yes ?

and not mentioning it ever since


They knew they were a hoax? The Bush admin lied to congress, what are you going on about?
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Quote (Sioux @ Dec 30 2021 03:40am)
They knew they were a hoax? The Bush admin lied to congress, what are you going on about?


You're saying Pelosi & Biden supported a war based on word of mouth alone?

Sounds like "reasonable" people indeed.
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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Dec 29 2021 05:43pm)
You're saying Pelosi & Biden supported a war based on word of mouth alone?

Sounds like "reasonable" people indeed.


Seems reasonable to me. If the president of the united states presents you with what appears to be compelling data after a terrorist attack, it isn't unreasonable to go along. I don't fault anyone for their Iraq war vote even if it was the wrong vote in hindsight. I fault the administration who doctored and misrepresented intelligence to lead to an outcome they wanted.
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Seems reasonable to me. If the president of the united states presents you with what appears to be compelling data after a terrorist attack, it isn't unreasonable to go along. I don't fault anyone for their Iraq war vote even if it was the wrong vote in hindsight. I fault the administration who doctored and misrepresented intelligence to lead to an outcome they wanted.


Do you fault the Lefty "fact-checkers" who confirmed this "doctored and misrepresented intelligence" ?


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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Dec 29 2021 05:56pm)
Do you fault the Lefty "fact-checkers" who confirmed this "doctored and misrepresented intelligence" ?

https://i.imgur.com/sOYhuif.jpg


You do realize this was almost 20 years ago? Weren't you just crying in a different thread that people are still talking about trump
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 29 2021 06:23pm)
Your logic is flawed. Trump not clearing the FBI does not prove that he didn't see them as political opponents, perhaps even saw them as allies - it only proves that he deemed it politically unwise to clear them.



Tldr: the Comey saga showed Trump that the FBI higher-ups were too entrenched, backed by institutions, "the system" and public opinion, to be up for grabs. He realized that he couldn't politically get away with firing high-ranking FBI members or blocking FBI investigations without having a damn good justification.

Trump is a simple man, he does what he thinks is good for himself. He wasn't afraid of many forms of negative coverage in the mainstream press because it actually reinforced or expanded his power. But the Comey case taught him that it is bad for his position/power to be too brazen with his interference with the FBI, or the intelligence community more broadly. If (!) he ever intended to "drain the swamp", these attempts were dead the moment he fired Comey, a corrupt swamp creature who absolutely deserved to be fired, and had to pay a hell of a political price for doing so.


Trump actively removed people to add yes men all through the administration. Trump thought very little of the media criticism as evidenced by the fact he did it all throughout and even did it in the middle of an investigation.

Trump also did try to block investigations and did fire the single highest ranking FBI member.

You're really grasping here.
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