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Dec 21 2021 04:29pm
Quote (ChronFather420 @ Dec 21 2021 05:19pm)
And yet, even conceding that point, most people dont get that shot, and theyre still allowed to go to work or go to restaurants.
Young people are basically not impacted by COVID at all. Ive got it twice and I was fine, I still went to work every day because I have bills to pay.

Even if I say that nobody involved in any of the development or implementation of this "vaccine" had ill intent or ulterior motives, its been nothing but altruism from start to finish (Fucking lol), I still wouldnt get it to protest the gross over reach by government in to people's personal lives and interaction with society. Businesses that WANT to serve me but cant for fear of financial ruin are under unprecedented duress to remove the civil liberties from their neighbors at bequest and enforcement of the government. They need to be punished, politicians need to be hung. I would sooner see millions dead before we give up our rights and liberties - millions of young men have given their lives in the past to protect them, and now we give it all up so grandma can see 6 more months.

We can disagree on the science (There are a lot of people a lot smarter than me who openly refute the status quo but theyre censored and "fact checked" and stripped of credibility by MSM and forces that collude with each other to push a certain narrative) and still there is no justification to give personal autonomy to a corrupt and tyrannical government.



That goes for all the nations out there that have far stricter requirements than US and have been doing far better weathering the pandemic than the US. We’re dying on this hill to “preserve freedoms” but there has already been legal precedent for vaccine mandates - back in 1904 - that says no, we don’t have the right to infringe on other’s right to not spread disease.
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Dec 21 2021 04:29pm
Quote (Skinned @ Dec 21 2021 04:23pm)
Fox News, the news network that is the center of anti-vaccination efforts, mandated covid vaccination to work there.

If this doesn't tell you all you need to know about the anti-vax movement then I don't know what to tell ya.


:rofl:

msm.......
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Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 21 2021 05:23pm)
your arguments are assertion based which is a polite way of saying dog shit

lets show some real bullchit
the new metric for truth is you have to be avaninecommuters friend.


Quote (Skinned @ Dec 21 2021 05:23pm)
Fox News, the news network that is the center of anti-vaccination efforts, mandated covid vaccination to work there.

If this doesn't tell you all you need to know about the anti-vax movement then I don't know what to tell ya.



Very good point. What say you, TiStuff?

PS yes you should trust my friends, we did go to double Ivies after all. And they are doctors to boot. How about that?

This post was edited by AvanineCommuter on Dec 21 2021 04:30pm
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Dec 21 2021 04:37pm
Quote (AvanineCommuter @ Dec 21 2021 02:30pm)
Very good point. What say you, TiStuff?

PS yes you should trust my friends, we did go to double Ivies after all. And they are doctors to boot. How about that?


thats great your a snob thats been trained to think inside a box. thats what the square hat represents (box/conditioned) you should consider and reconsider everything once you realize how irrational your arguments have been.
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Dec 21 2021 04:45pm
Quote (AvanineCommuter @ Dec 21 2021 04:29pm)
That goes for all the nations out there that have far stricter requirements than US and have been doing far better weathering the pandemic than the US. We’re dying on this hill to “preserve freedoms” but there has already been legal precedent for vaccine mandates - back in 1904 - that says no, we don’t have the right to infringe on other’s right to not spread disease.


Who has the right to give it to me to begin with? It didnt start in me, so who has to pay for giving it to me?
If I get the jab do I stop spreading it? Or can I still spread it?
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Dec 21 2021 04:50pm
Quote (ChronFather420 @ Dec 21 2021 04:45pm)
Who has the right to give it to me to begin with? It didnt start in me, so who has to pay for giving it to me?
If I get the jab do I stop spreading it? Or can I still spread it?


You lucky you here.
Turning their own logic back on them is bannable on most sites.
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Dec 21 2021 04:53pm
Quote (ChronFather420 @ Dec 21 2021 11:45pm)
Who has the right to give it to me to begin with? It didnt start in me, so who has to pay for giving it to me?
If I get the jab do I stop spreading it? Or can I still spread it?


Afaik you still spread it at 100% rate.

It's just that if you become sick, you won't have to be treated in a hospital.

afaik
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Dec 21 2021 05:03pm
Quote (Skinned @ Dec 21 2021 04:23pm)
Fox News, the news network that is the center of anti-vaccination efforts, mandated covid vaccination to work there.

If this doesn't tell you all you need to know about the anti-vax movement then I don't know what to tell ya.


Were they or were they not required to by federal government under fear of financial ruin, because of the # of employees they have?

I feel like thats a pretty necessary piece of information in your shit post there sir.
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Dec 21 2021 05:06pm
Quote (ChronFather420 @ Dec 21 2021 05:45pm)
Who has the right to give it to me to begin with? It didnt start in me, so who has to pay for giving it to me?
If I get the jab do I stop spreading it? Or can I still spread it?


https://www.americanbar.org/groups/litigation/committees/mass-torts/articles/2021/winter2022-not-breaking-news-mandatory-vaccination-has-been-constitutional-for-over-a-century/

“ Thus, mandatory vaccination in smallpox days, as now in COVID-19 times, is entirely constitutional. “Upon the principle of self-defense, of paramount necessity, a community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members.” Id. Where a communicable disease is “prevalent” and, worse, “increasing,” “the court would usurp the functions of another branch of government if it adjudged, as matter of law, that the mode adopted under the sanction of the state, to protect the people at large was arbitrary, and not justified by the necessities of the case.” Id. at 28. Given “the knowledge which, it is safe to affirm, is common to all civilized peoples touching smallpox and the methods most usually employed to eradicate that disease,” mandatory vaccination was neither “arbitrary” nor “unreasonable.” Id.

If the mode adopted by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts for the protection of its local communities against smallpox proved to be distressing, inconvenient, or objectionable to some, . . . the answer is that it was the duty of the constituted authorities primarily to keep in view the welfare, comfort and safety of the many, and not permit the interests of the many to be subordinated to the wishes or convenience of the few. . . . n every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.
Id. at 27–28.

The same arguments we see today thus failed over a century ago in Jacobson. Persons who “attach little or no value to vaccination as a means of preventing” disease, or who claim “that vaccination causes other diseases,” must give way to the modern consensus. Vaccines work. “What everybody knows the court must know, and therefore the state court judicially knew, as this court knows, that an opposite theory accords with the common belief, and is maintained by high medical authority.” Id. at 30. The judiciary should not overturn a vaccine mandate. “[T]he principle of vaccination as a means to prevent the spread of [disease] has been enforced in many states by statutes making the vaccination of children a condition of their right to enter or remain in public schools.” Id. at 31–32 (string citation omitted). What was “generally accepted” in 1905 is equally applicable today:

The common belief, however, is that [vaccination] has a decided tendency to prevent the spread of this fearful disease, and to render it less dangerous to those who contract it. While not accepted by all, it is accepted by the mass of the people, as well as by most members of the medical profession. It has been general . . . in most civilized nations for generations. It is generally accepted in theory and generally applied in practice, both by the voluntary action of the people and in obedience to the command of law.”
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Dec 21 2021 05:08pm
Quote (BeeetleJuice @ Dec 21 2021 10:26am)
Trump is fully vaccinated + got the booster shot.

Why would he do this if covid is a hoax and the vaccines are dangerous? He is a very stable genius. Does this prove the vaccines are actually beneficial?

I have been pro Vax all along. Just curious about the anti vax die hard Trump supporters. Does this change your opinion about Trump or the vaccines??


He is above the age of 60, so the risk versus reward is different for him than it is for 80% of the population.
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