d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Joe Manchin Rekts Entire Democratic Party
Prev14567812Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 42
Joined: Nov 22 2021
Gold: 0.00
Dec 20 2021 09:31pm
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 20 2021 07:24pm)
We could, but that kind of economic instability all at once would basically destroy any economic power the country has for a good 5 years. The cost is way too high to do it suddenly.

That being said, at a certain point when the masses stop having their standard of living improve they see it as a cost worth paying in the long run.

We're getting towards that faster and faster IMO.


We're printing money to no end creating more inflation than the people can chew on. Sure it's fun when it's time to sell your house and cash in and turn it into more profit flipping that money but other than that, the people get the short end of the stick once again.

Take a look at PaRD. Most of the users @ PaRD belong in a political groups.

It's so much more than just this imo. It's all the hatred we have against each other for being different which will be hard as fuck to solve.

It's not only Red vs Blue and corruption within the establishment.

Just look when i landed baits acting racist. Lot got involved insulting opposite races. If it happens on JSP imagine how much it happen outside for something so stupid such as Skin colour well knowing we all equally weak compared to our masters the elite.

Before we win the political war, we'll have to call a spade a spade and unite together as "people".

Atm

White are supposed to hate Blacks and Natives.
Blacks are supposed to hate White and Asians and white.
Asians are supposed to hate Blacks and Mexicans and white.
Mexicans are supposed to hate Blacks and Asians and white.

THEN

Males are supposed to hate females
Females are supposed to hate Males
Both are supposed to hate Trans
Trans are supposed to hate Both

Then you have your social wars due to;

- Favourite sport team
- Where you born
- How much you're worth
- What you look like
- How trendy your are

There is so much more we need to work on as a society before we fix the political system. Right now, people are willing to take peanuts as a bribe because they couldn't give two shits bout the common folks who ain't too worthy nowadays.

This post was edited by SunnyvaleTrailerPark2 on Dec 20 2021 09:33pm
Member
Posts: 3,046
Joined: Oct 1 2021
Gold: 1,979.01
Dec 21 2021 12:33am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 20 2021 07:24pm)
We could, but that kind of economic instability all at once would basically destroy any economic power the country has for a good 5 years. The cost is way too high to do it suddenly.

That being said, at a certain point when the masses stop having their standard of living improve they see it as a cost worth paying in the long run.

We're getting towards that faster and faster IMO.


Of course there would be a shake out. The immediate benefactors would be the middle class strivers who are preyed upon in the current status quo. Yes, I know the counter argument to this would be along the same lines used to justify the post 2008 bailouts, during which suddenly every Democrat became an advocate for corporate welfare as you bought the fear being sold to you wholesale. But people like me would adapt almost immediately. Those dialed into The Cathedral would suffer, to which I would gleefully play the world's smallest violin.
Member
Posts: 64,763
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 0.00
Dec 21 2021 12:36am
Quote (Nibthebarb @ Dec 21 2021 12:33am)
Of course there would be a shake out. The immediate benefactors would be the middle class strivers who are preyed upon in the current status quo. Yes, I know the counter argument to this would be along the same lines used to justify the post 2008 bailouts, during which suddenly every Democrat became an advocate for corporate welfare as you bought the fear being sold to you wholesale. But people like me would adapt almost immediately. Those dialed into The Cathedral would suffer, to which I would gleefully play the world's smallest violin.


I don't think the middle class would be the benefactors at all. In fact I think they would be the hardest hit. Those with greater wealth can leave the country and establish themselves easily elsewhere. The lower class have little to lose as it stands.

The ones who would be most hurt by such an economic callamity would be those with a decent amount of money but not so much they can't easily and quickly relocate. I.e. the middle class.
Member
Posts: 33,927
Joined: Oct 9 2008
Gold: 2,528.52
Dec 21 2021 12:43am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 20 2021 07:07pm)
Tell me, how high was the margin of error in 2016, and how high would the margin of error have to be today for those proposals to not be overwhelmingly popular?

I know you think this was a gotcha, but all you did was show you don't even know basic statistics. Like, not even the kind of stuff they should have taught you in middle school.


What is the margin of error on your stupid opinions?
Member
Posts: 3,046
Joined: Oct 1 2021
Gold: 1,979.01
Dec 21 2021 12:47am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 20 2021 10:36pm)
I don't think the middle class would be the benefactors at all. In fact I think they would be the hardest hit. Those with greater wealth can leave the country and establish themselves easily elsewhere. The lower class have little to lose as it stands.

The ones who would be most hurt by such an economic callamity would be those with a decent amount of money but not so much they can't easily and quickly relocate. I.e. the middle class.


What is the exact economic calamity happening in this hypothetical?

I think you and I fundamentally disagree as to the level of resilience the American middle class has. Part and parcel of being a leftist, as without weak, highly-dependent people, it's difficult to achieve extreme centralization/totalitarianism.
Member
Posts: 50,877
Joined: Jan 20 2010
Gold: 5,846.00
Dec 21 2021 12:50am
Okay so I've been going over this build back better fiasco and there's one thing that sticks out to me

why, in god's name, did the Biden administration stake their branding on it?

Why is it called the 'Build back better plan'? Why did they brand it with Joe Biden's name, make it his signature policy, staple it to his forehead like martin luther nailing theses to a church door?
This seems to me to be clear unforced error and pure incompetence.
Think back to this summer, these dual track "infrastructure bill" and "social policy bill" didn't really have names or branding on them. Every pundit and politico was predicting the exact outcomes that came to pass, that one had enough bipartisan support to make it and the other didn't have backing from moderate democrats and would fail. Our only real question at that point is how much damage the progressives would inflict on their own party and drag down Biden, would they bend the knee or would they scuttle the infrastructure bill? Well, they bent the knee. They didn't even extract a single meaningful concession, let alone force a real showdown. But there was never any scenario where democrats passed this social bill, and we knew that back last summer. And yet, despite all clearly foreseeable demise of this agenda, Biden slapped his name all over it.

What was actually gained from staking any reputation on a bill that was clearly going to fail? In normal course of politics, administrations try to minimize their losses and pass the buck and hedge their bets. They don't board the already sinking ship, raise their flag on it, and then go down with the ship.
I really don't understand this move.
Member
Posts: 3,046
Joined: Oct 1 2021
Gold: 1,979.01
Dec 21 2021 12:53am
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 20 2021 10:50pm)
Okay so I've been going over this build back better fiasco and there's one thing that sticks out to me

why, in god's name, did the Biden administration stake their branding on it?

Why is it called the 'Build back better plan'? Why did they brand it with Joe Biden's name, make it his signature policy, staple it to his forehead like martin luther nailing theses to a church door?
This seems to me to be clear unforced error and pure incompetence.
Think back to this summer, these dual track "infrastructure bill" and "social policy bill" didn't really have names or branding on them. Every pundit and politico was predicting the exact outcomes that came to pass, that one had enough bipartisan support to make it and the other didn't have backing from moderate democrats and would fail. Our only real question at that point is how much damage the progressives would inflict on their own party and drag down Biden, would they bend the knee or would they scuttle the infrastructure bill? Well, they bent the knee. They didn't even extract a single meaningful concession, let alone force a real showdown. But there was never any scenario where democrats passed this social bill, and we knew that back last summer. And yet, despite all clearly foreseeable demise of this agenda, Biden slapped his name all over it.

What was actually gained from staking any reputation on a bill that was clearly going to fail? In normal course of politics, administrations try to minimize their losses and pass the buck and hedge their bets. They don't board the already sinking ship, raise their flag on it, and then go down with the ship.
I really don't understand this move.


The left-wing culture warriors on Youtube were railing against the idea from its inception. But, I guess the country should count its blessings that ultimate and unopposed power has made the left fat and complacent. My only fear, and I think it's justified, is that there is so little meaningful opposition that even staggering incompetence as you describe will not damage them politically.

Some pundits are saying that BBB's failure helps President Poopy Pants in the long run. Maybe it's their way of throwing red meat to their "voters" without having to actually spend political capital. As we've seen, 30% of the country will kiss Biden's ass no matter what happens.

This post was edited by Nibthebarb on Dec 21 2021 12:57am
Member
Posts: 33,927
Joined: Oct 9 2008
Gold: 2,528.52
Dec 21 2021 01:03am
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 21 2021 01:50am)
Okay so I've been going over this build back better fiasco and there's one thing that sticks out to me

why, in god's name, did the Biden administration stake their branding on it?

Why is it called the 'Build back better plan'? Why did they brand it with Joe Biden's name, make it his signature policy, staple it to his forehead like martin luther nailing theses to a church door?
This seems to me to be clear unforced error and pure incompetence.
Think back to this summer, these dual track "infrastructure bill" and "social policy bill" didn't really have names or branding on them. Every pundit and politico was predicting the exact outcomes that came to pass, that one had enough bipartisan support to make it and the other didn't have backing from moderate democrats and would fail. Our only real question at that point is how much damage the progressives would inflict on their own party and drag down Biden, would they bend the knee or would they scuttle the infrastructure bill? Well, they bent the knee. They didn't even extract a single meaningful concession, let alone force a real showdown. But there was never any scenario where democrats passed this social bill, and we knew that back last summer. And yet, despite all clearly foreseeable demise of this agenda, Biden slapped his name all over it.

What was actually gained from staking any reputation on a bill that was clearly going to fail? In normal course of politics, administrations try to minimize their losses and pass the buck and hedge their bets. They don't board the already sinking ship, raise their flag on it, and then go down with the ship.
I really don't understand this move.


They are playing the long game for the agenda of their political Mafia group. The real plan is to make the population addicted to government spending. Demoralization by inverting the moral hierarchy of God.

They can always rebrand this as "Republicans are evil and want to ki** grandma"
Member
Posts: 1,400
Joined: Jan 11 2020
Gold: 507.80
Dec 21 2021 01:03am
Quote (Nibthebarb @ Dec 20 2021 07:46pm)
Maybe this scornful attitude most Dems have towards poor rural whites is counter productive. Just maybe.


Maybe the attitude of the post I was quoting towards democratically elected officials is counter productive. Just maybe.
Member
Posts: 64,763
Joined: Oct 25 2006
Gold: 0.00
Dec 21 2021 01:04am
Quote (Nibthebarb @ Dec 21 2021 12:47am)
What is the exact economic calamity happening in this hypothetical?

I think you and I fundamentally disagree as to the level of resilience the American middle class has. Part and parcel of being a leftist, as without weak, highly-dependent people, it's difficult to achieve extreme centralization/totalitarianism.


A total shakeup of the government. All courts going down, all politicians going down, all legal enforcement going down. Like what Sunny described.

If you think the middle class wouldn't bear the brunt of the economic fallout in that kind of scenario then I think you're a little too utopian. Rich people might lose their businesses but they can travel and set down roots anywhere around the world in a moments notice, legal or not. They've got the resources. The average American middle class family can't do that, and the poorest of the poor have very little to lose in the first place.
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev14567812Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll