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Dec 3 2021 10:54am
Quote (Skinned @ Dec 3 2021 07:29am)
I've been telling people for at least two years that abortion will be completely banned in five years. Roe v Wade is poised to be overturned, reproductive self-determinism is about to go away for women, and not many people are making much noise about it because a religiously activists court is using the Covid story to take the headlines and keep the lights off of them.

This is going to lead to a crises of authority. SCOTUS is our highest power generally, and they are becoming increasingly activist, creating law themselves rather than ruling on laws on their Constitutionally. New Justice Barrett has already engaged in bad faith arguments like safe haven laws eliminate the need for abortions, as if physically having a child and using hospital services and being pregnant for several months isn't something that affects you.

My view is that the ban on abortion is going to lead to a constitutional crisis and the activist court will be at fault for this as they do not respect the history or rulings of the court they are on. They are content to rewrite history or pretend fundamental facts have changed.


Roe v Wade is commonly accepted by both left and right to be bad law. As Alito pointed out, bad law is bad law, it can and should be overturned. There isn't a certain amount of time that we need to pass in order to feel comfortable reversing a mistake.

Barrett was merely pointing out that you can't conflate the burden of pregnancy with the burden of parenthood, which pro-advocates often do. To ban or limit abortion is to saddle that woman with the burden of giving birth, but it does not saddle her with the burden of motherhood.

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Dec 3 2021 10:58am
Quote (Santara @ Dec 3 2021 09:07am)
The right to life, for the unborn.
Opinion.


Does you saying "opinion" mean to imply that your position isn't also based on "opinion"?
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Dec 3 2021 10:59am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 3 2021 10:53am)
Putting -phobe at the end of words is such a cynical and calculated equivocation.

People aren't afraid of them ever, they just think that their choices lead to bad results 99% of the time.

And the phobia claim puts the accuser into an usurped position of superiority, clouding the disrespect that their phobia claim declares.


It is an attempt to dismiss.
Don't listen to them, they have ridiculously unfounded fears.

If you can't win with facts, logic or history...attack character.
Standard.
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Dec 3 2021 11:02am
Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 3 2021 11:53am)
Putting -phobe at the end of words is such a cynical and calculated equivocation.

People aren't afraid of them ever, they just think that their choices lead to bad results 99% of the time.

And the phobia claim puts the accuser into an usurped position of superiority, clouding the disrespect that their phobia claim declares.


Are you or aren't you terrified of the female pen*s?
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Dec 3 2021 11:04am
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 3 2021 11:02am)
Are you or aren't you terrified of the female pen*s?


That's his fetish.
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Dec 3 2021 11:05am
it's really incredible how backwards america is in so many aspects of society. makes you appreciate to live in a secular democracy...
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Are you or aren't you terrified of the female pen*s?


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Dec 3 2021 11:08am
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 3 2021 11:02am)
Are you or aren't you terrified of the female pen*s?


I'm only interested in penis when it's on an anime girl.

and then only until I'm finished and then I go back to being disgusted.
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Dec 3 2021 11:11am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 3 2021 10:58am)
Does you saying "opinion" mean to imply that your position isn't also based on "opinion"?


Nope, I recognize that my position is based in opinion.

Quote (fender @ Dec 3 2021 10:46am)
so in your "opinion", from which point of a pregnancy exactly do we have a "person" whose right to life outweighs a woman's right to self-determination?


Conception is the only logical point that a new entity has been created.
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Dec 3 2021 11:16am
Quote (Santara @ Dec 3 2021 11:11am)
Nope, I recognize that my position is based in opinion.

Conception is the only logical point that a new entity has been created.


So is the "new entity" automatically a person?
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