If internal polling data wasn't more value than public polling why would campaigns collect it instead of relying on public polls.

Either way, a campaign manager giving data to a Russian intelligence connected oligarch is a bad look. Combined with Trump's affinity for Putin, don jrs meeting and WikiLeaks acting to prop up Trump's campaign is a lot of smoke for there not to be a fire

Of course there is lol. Individual campaigns target specific areas of interest so they can refine their message and target weak areas or redirect resources away from lost-causes.

If there was nothing that differentiated them then no campaign would collect their own data.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Nov 5 2021 10:05pm

Kilimnik isn't an oligarch, he was Manafort's office manager, and was considered sufficiently independent to work for the US funded IRI. His role was to drum up business for Manafort in the Ukraine, hence why Manafort asked him to forward the polling to various Ukrainian oligarchs. "I'm doing a good job in a high profile American campaign, hire me!".

Of course it's a bad look for Trump's campaign manager to be fishing for future work with Ukrainian oligarchs. The fact that they hired Manafort without vetting his past dealings is an embarrassment. But we can apply Occam's Razor and accept that the simplest explanation is likely the correct one. There's no reason to, nor evidence for, a massive conspiracy.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Nov 5 2021 10:18pm

The claim was "Trump's campaign chairman handed over internal, comprehensive polling data to a Russian intelligence operative in the midst of a Russian attack on our election."


Which has been unambiguously proven. Your continual attempts to distract from this have been, once again, noted.

So what's the simplest explanation for Trump's associates deleting their conversations and stalling mullers investigation then? Shits and giggles?

Edit: this is fun it's like I'm 20 again. Wassup bogie

This post was edited by Sioux on Nov 5 2021 10:36pm

I don't know if it's ever been made public exactly what the data showed, but it was 75 pages:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/paul-manafort-gave-konstantin-kilimnik-75-pages-of-polling-data-docs-suggest

But if the counterpoint is "the polling data that Trump's campaign chair handed over to a Russian intelligence operative in the midst of a Russian attack on our election wasn't THAT comprehensive", you may need to set your expectations a bit higher for presidential campaigns.

Leftists will never admit they have been wrong for five years on this subject.

You didn’t realize they knew they were caught and it was about to go public, so they did the “documentary” on the Steele dossier? How dense are you people every commercial break, “hookers urinating on the bed Obama once slept on” literally every ten minutes.

Not even a month before this story drops.

You were, and are still wrong. How discredited must you be before admitting your “facts” may as well be single ply toilet tissue?’

Another perfect example was our most recent Rand Paul and Tony Fauci where fauci literally deleted information from the NIH website and tried lying. Paul says “yes we all know you just deleted the information from the website but it still happened”.

Leftists just move onto another lie as soon as they are caught and never admit the truth. You people have no standards, zero credibility. How do you get through life being like that?

What was wrong specifically?

Because we basically got everything right, short of Trump personally promising to be Putin's ass puppet.

There is absolutely no reasoning with you idiots. Thank you for further proving me right on every sentence from your quote starting with the very first. You will never admit you were wrong.

This is why you ha e zero credibility. None. Nada. To be involved in a conversation you need to be somewhat credible. This is a topic about you being wrong, and your response is, “we got everything right.”

What fucking world do you live in lmao