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Really? The guy was the CEO of the Carlyle Group lol. He's the swampiest of the swamp and that's a good thing. We need people who understand the ins and outs of business running the GOP.


Well, that depends on how you define "swampy" or "McConnell type". Youngkin obviously is more Romney than Trump. He is not, however, a lifelong career politician nor is he someone whose career hinged on the backroom deals and cronyism of the beltway. For example, his rise inside the Carlyle group was propelled by his role in UK and later international investment. And yes, him being an experienced and super successful businessman (much bigger than Trump, sad!) is a good thing. He has also proven to be a very savvy politician who was able to appeal to his party's base and to swing voters in the right dose at the right time.

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The thing is, there's nothing for Youngkin to DO outside of talking with superintendents to keep the really crazy shit out. If you look at the CRT legislation in other states, you'll see that it has absolutely nothing to do with CRT and it just reiterates law that already exists. And that's fine because sometimes you just need to pretend to do something. Ultimately, we just need to teach our kids ACTUAL history. You of all people should be in support of that.

I indeed support teaching kids actual history, but without ideological slant. That means neither conservative bullshit like the Lost Cause nor leftist indoctrination like the 1619 project.

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Really? The guy was the CEO of the Carlyle Group lol. He's the swampiest of the swamp and that's a good thing. We need people who understand the ins and outs of business running the GOP.

The thing is, there's nothing for Youngkin to DO outside of talking with superintendents to keep the really crazy shit out. If you look at the CRT legislation in other states, you'll see that it has absolutely nothing to do with CRT and it just reiterates law that already exists. And that's fine because sometimes you just need to pretend to do something. Ultimately, we just need to teach our kids ACTUAL history. You of all people should be in support of that.


I don't know if I'd say that. It clarifies existing law in such a way as to make historical revisionism easier to challenge.

We do need to teach actual history, and it's unfortunate that the Democratic party doesn't stand for that. I mean, the NYT's 1619 project was introduced into school curriculum well before historians even had a chance to review it.
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I don't know if I'd say that. It clarifies existing law in such a way as to make historical revisionism easier to challenge.

We do need to teach actual history, and it's unfortunate that the Democratic party doesn't stand for that. I mean, the NYT's 1619 project was introduced into school curriculum well before historians even had a chance to review it.


I agree that the Democrats are pushing exaggerated narratives to combat the nonsense pushed by the GOP. I don't know why so many Americans struggle with owning their history. If the Germans can own Nazism, surely we can own the things that weren't even half as bad.
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I agree that the Democrats are pushing exaggerated narratives to combat the nonsense pushed by the GOP. I don't know why so many Americans struggle with owning their history. If the Germans can own Nazism, surely we can own the things that weren't even half as bad.


I don't think VA parents are pushing much of anything. It looks like they want their children to be taught American history as historians and experts have been teaching it for decades, which includes a robust discussion on slavery and its aftermath.

The Democratic party has been taken over by activists, at least on this issue, who are advancing historical narratives that are unfortunately very light on facts. What's happening in VA is healthy for our democracy.
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I agree that the Democrats are pushing exaggerated narratives to combat the nonsense pushed by the GOP. I don't know why so many Americans struggle with owning their history. If the Germans can own Nazism, surely we can own the things that weren't even half as bad.

trying to reintroduce “separate but equal” and forced government segregation as good things, because of the notion some groups are inherently evil due to skin pigmentation are not facets we want in society at all.

of course the (D)s ‘conscience of the senate’ Robert Byrd (also mentor of hillary and biden) is the one who attempted to filibuster what would become The Civil Rights Act of 1964 which fortunately did away with those ridiculous policies. no wonder they want to bring it back -_-
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If the Germans can own Nazism, surely we can own the things that weren't even half as bad.


The problem with the racial policies of the Democrats is not the part where racism of the past and present is acknowledged - the crux is the misguided and absolutely toxic medicine they're prescribing to cure it. CRT does not seek to create a color-blind society, it seeks to make society hypersensitive to color. CRT myopically views every aspect of human relationships and societal dynamics through the narrow lens of race and essentially argues that "a bit of counter-racism is necessary and suitable to right past wrongs".

By the way: Germany does exhibit a guilt complex due to its abhorrent past from time to time, usually with disastrous consequences - but even our establishment liberals do not get consumed by an obsession over race as badly as American liberals. (Also, there's no need for affirmative action in favor of jews because they - unlike blacks - are notorious overperformers anyway. ;) )

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The problem with the racial policies of the Democrats is not the part where racism of the past and present is acknowledged - the crux is the misguided and absolutely toxic medicine they're prescribing to cure it. CRT does not seek to create a color-blind society, it seeks to make society hypersensitive to color. CRT myopically views every aspect of human relationships and societal dynamics through the narrow lens of race and essentially argues that "a bit of counter-racism is necessary and suitable to right past wrongs".

By the way: Germany does exhibit a guilt complex due to its abhorrent past from time to time, usually with disastrous consequences - but even our establishment liberals do not get consumed by an obsession over race as badly as American liberals. (Also, there's no need for affirmative action in favor of jews because they - unlike blacks - are notorious overperformers anyway. ;) )


That's because you basically killed them all lol. Very few people complain about Native American issues even though they deserve reparations the most. Genocide is a really dark way of silencing the opposition.

How does acknowledging your history lead to "disastrous consequences?"
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I don't think VA parents are pushing much of anything. It looks like they want their children to be taught American history as historians and experts have been teaching it for decades, which includes a robust discussion on slavery and its aftermath.

The Democratic party has been taken over by activists, at least on this issue, who are advancing historical narratives that are unfortunately very light on facts. What's happening in VA is healthy for our democracy.


I don't think parents want this, at least not conservative ones. Unfortunately, a reasonably objective view of history contradicts a large portion of their beliefs. I think you suffer from New England privilege where you actually got a good education that allows you to weigh both the good and the bad. A majority of Americans don't have access to such education.

Discussing public issues in a public setting is entirely appropriate. What's not appropriate is when it devolves into worrying about conspiracy theories and threatening elected officials.
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I agree that the Democrats are pushing exaggerated narratives to combat the nonsense pushed by the GOP. I don't know why so many Americans struggle with owning their history. If the Germans can own Nazism, surely we can own the things that weren't even half as bad.


Because forcing our kids to grow up thinking everything was just fine for the last few hundred years is easier. Fuckin Duh.
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Because forcing our kids to grow up thinking everything was just fine for the last few hundred years is easier. Fuckin Duh.


Or maybe instead of being taught what to think and to respond to history and world events emotionally, they should just be taught history and world events and be left free to form their own opinions.
Once it becomes about emotion and narratives, inconvenient historical facts somehow start vanishing. You'd get people who think all lynching victims were innocent black men and all native americans were enlightened hippies who lived at peace with nature and each other and were terrorized by evil white men.
When critical race theory infects history, they stop teaching history and start teaching politics.
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that erection graph i see?
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