my only talking point is that vaccine mandates impose on peoples freedoms too choose what they do with their own body but with that imposition it comes with temporary added security

noone has challenged me on this or most agree

im mainly curious on which people would take given the choice, freedom or security

I’m talking about “the US is the greatest civilization in history because it is currently a superpower therefore our interpretation of freedom is the most correct” talking point
The other shit comes secondary if your templates flawed and you won’t elaborate lol

that's not my quote btw

but if you need me to explain to you how the united states is the greatest power the world has ever seen in all its history

USA has highest GDP in 2020, ranks #1 in power rankings, then just overall influence the united states has had on the entire world for decades is to be noted as well.


ones overall opinion of the current state of the country is an entirely different subject but to completely deny the united states being at the top if not #1 is like putting blindfolders on my man

This post was edited by SkillRincer on Oct 1 2021 10:54am

rome had a higher GDP wealth than the US has ever had, was #1 in the power rankings, and had worldwide influence for centuries.

they had running water for bathrooms before christ as born, thousands of years before metal pipes even.

The USA certainly belongs in the conversation of greatest civilization, but to blindly give them #1 is silly. especially if you're ignoring inflation and technological advancement and attributing status to them based solely on these.

What do you mean by "a higher GDP wealth"?

In terms of GDP the U.S. is certainly higher by a factor of several thousand owing simply to technology, so I'm confused what you mean by this.

im not speaking in relative terms as you are, im speaking in current... its a fact that there is no comparison between the two by todays living standards

you're correct, its a moot comparison owing to the massive gap in technology. but if we control for inflation and for technology Rome is far more impressive.

we'd have to look at similar things for a valid comparison, the roman road system is far more impressive in both construction and upkeep than even the post-WW2 interstate highways of the US. They had better plumbing and waterway management than the modern US, etc. Again all controlling for inflation of technology.

i can 3d print a keychain today, 200 years ago a blacksmith may take a full day to make something similar. he's still far more impressive.



and as i stated from the onset that's an issue for 2 reasons.

1. to even say greatest of all time is silly, because it will always be a modern winner. invalidating 99% of history due to technology and inflation means u might as well say "greatest modern nation"

2. it itself will become moot as we are also eclipsed be it in 50 years or 200, due to how technology advances exponentially.

it's like someone asking "whats the greatest car of all time" then just googling "fastest car 2021". its a very reductionist view of conversation.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 1 2021 11:09am

im just talkin bout gdp lmao relax with it ok?

United States (GDP: 20.49 trillion) vastly superior to any other country in 2020

so on the level of the thread you ask for freedom, an individual measurement, then on country u use GDP rather than GDP per capita, an individual measurement.

isnt that off?

all i'm talking about in OP is which YOU would choose; freedom or security

you're the one trying to veer off into all these sub topics and debates that really have no relation to my OP

if you were to list reasons why security is valued to you greater than freedom or vice versa, then that would be more on topic


it does look like more people would choose freedom over security on here, which is good to see i will admit

This post was edited by SkillRincer on Oct 1 2021 11:18am